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Voldermort
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Well, Mr. B didn�t meet these requirements, so he was taken to the police station. They put a new (*) �visa� in his passport. This �visa� said that Mr. B�s work/residence visa was revoked, and that he had to leave China by xx/xx/2007. That, and he had to pay a 1000RMB fine.
Now, Mr. B is a married man. His wife is a Chinese woman, and they have a baby girl. |
Just out of curiosity, which visa did he apply for on his HK run?
It is kind of hard to understand why he was rejected. I am also married, currently with a RP, and have been assured on numerous occasions from the PSB that because I am married I will automatically get a year long L visa. I also know an American guy who has a 5 year L visa simply because he is married and owns property here. |
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caius celestius
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:23 am Post subject: |
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JiuGui,
amost unfortunate situation, I agree and nobody should experience what Mister B is experiencing.
But hee is a question:Would you mind disclosing the origin of Mister B.?
I suspect he belongs to an easily-profilable foreign group. Perhaps not a white man.
I know that occasionally the police do track down certain nationalities or ethnic groups. I can imagine Africans to be highly visible on the Shenzhen PSB radar. |
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JiuGui
Joined: 07 Feb 2007
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Location: The Deepest Ditch in Guangdong
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: |
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Voldermort,
No joy across the board. He told me that it was a flat-out refusal. They said no to a business visa, tourist visa, even one of those five-day Shenzhen SEZ visas.
Caius,
Nope, a white guy. His native language is English.
I'm pretty sure that the visa officals based their decision on the fact that Mr. B was working illegally. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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If the no visa was awarded because of the deportation sticker in his passport - then it wouldn't take a rocket scientist to work out how to get new travel documents in HK - or in the states!!! The big question is, if you had a clean passport could those authorities issuing the visa still find out about the deportation and decline the application.
What also makes me scratch my head with this story - is what use would marriage and child birth certificates be in getting a visa in HK. I�m sure those travel agencies aint too interested in that - just your money and passport photos!!!! |
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cj750s
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Location: Donghai Town, Beijng
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| I just heard last night tht the Shenzhen PSB is checking F visas and requiring a full diclosure as to the places of employment...not sue if it is a spot check or what...but a few of the F visa'd FT Fish have left for safer waters.. |
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clark.w.griswald
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| vikuk wrote: |
| The big question is, if you had a clean passport could those authorities issuing the visa still find out about the deportation and decline the application. |
In most cases your surname and date of birth at the very least are recorded and checked when applying for visas. So having a new hard copy of a passport would not overcome the fact that your information is still in the system. China is not at the forefront of computerization between various departments at this time but you could be pretty sure that within the visa departments this information would be a standard cross check.
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| What also makes me scratch my head with this story - is what use would marriage and child birth certificates be in getting a visa in HK. I�m sure those travel agencies aint too interested in that - just your money and passport photos!!!! |
Considering that travel agencies don't issue visas I don't think that it is really important what the travel agency thinks. It would have been the visa authorities that rejected the visa application not the travel agency.
This is a sad story - not the first of its kind and not the last I am sure. I am not a fan of working illegally but I do have sympathy for this guys family. As more and more foreigners get married here it becomes more apparent how important it is to keep everything above board. |
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Teatime of Soul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| This is a sad story - not the first of its kind and not the last I am sure. I am not a fan of working illegally but I do have sympathy for this guys family. As more and more foreigners get married here it becomes more apparent how important it is to keep everything above board. |
I think that it is good advice to try to observe the law regarding visas.
China is gearing up for the Olympics. Part of that preparation will most likely include ensuring visa holders are where they are supposed to be and doing what they are supposed to be doing as well as increased vigilance to weed out those considered undesirable, for any number of reasons, before the big event.
This should be Anda's post, but I'd say expect more of the same.
Take care all and cross the Tees. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| cj750s wrote: |
| I just heard last night tht the Shenzhen PSB is checking F visas and requiring a full diclosure as to the places of employment...not sue if it is a spot check or what...but a few of the F visa'd FT Fish have left for safer waters.. |
I wonder when the crack down will hit Guangzhou. Right now in Guangzhou anybody can work anywhere and nobody give's two hoots.
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| I also know an American guy who has a 5 year L visa simply because he is married and owns property here. |
5-year L visas are for those who have already gone through 5 consecutive 1-year L visas. Given that the one-year L visa for spouses of Chinese citizens or permanent residents is only been around for 2 or 3 years ...
Owning property doesn't give you squat in the way of visa preference. |
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cj750s
Joined: 26 May 2007
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cj750s wrote:
I just heard last night tht the Shenzhen PSB is checking F visas and requiring a full diclosure as to the places of employment...not sue if it is a spot check or what...but a few of the F visa'd FT Fish have left for safer waters..
I wonder when the crack down will hit Guangzhou. Right now in Guangzhou anybody can work anywhere and nobody give's two hoots. |
likely it is just local. ...I have encountered many diffrent changes, that seem to address local concerns ..such as having to take your phot at the PSB instead of just supplying them with copies...some provences are now applying this rule..when I cam to Beijng ..the PSB made me have the PSB of the "left" local send a letter and cancel my RP... by mail...but then again ..it may have been just for me.. |
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