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Fortigurn
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 Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 10:13 am Post subject: Ethnicity and Employment |
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Briefly:
- My wife wants to work while she's over here as well.
- She doesn't want to do ESL.
- She's from the US.
- She's black.
What are her chances? Be blunt now, prejudice doesn't faze me.  |
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jason_seeburn
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: Ethnicity and Employment |
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Aristotle
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If you do not have a ROC id card then your wife will most probably be refused a visa for residency.
The easiest way for teachers to get their dependents residency is for those dependents to get their own ARC's. Even your children will be refused an ARC unless you have ample amounts of quanxi.
I would recommend volunteer work. She can get an ARC for that purpose and no real qualifications are required if the ARC is through a reputable institution.
Try contacting anyone of the various NGO's.
The Community Center in Taipei might be a good place to start.
http://www.community.com.tw/
Good luck and if you need any assistance please contact me.
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:24 am Post subject: Re: Ethnicity and Employment |
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
If she had a university degree and wanted to teach ESL I would say her chances are alright, but not so good as a white person unfortunately. |
She doesn't have a degree, and she doesn't want to teach ESL.
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| It's not that the Taiwanese are racist, it's just that the parents have this image of the ideal teacher for their kid and they want that person (like the preppy white 20 something college kids they see on American TV). But if she doesn't want to teach ESL then I really don't know. |
Undertood, thanks.
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| Does she like doing housework? |
Her own.
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| Does she speak Chinese at all? |
No.
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| What skills does she have? |
About ten years in administration, management, accounts, finances and payroll.
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| If she doesn't speak Chinese, her chances of getting a job that isn't menial labour are about zero or .00000001%. There just aren't any jobs outside of the ESL market unless you are fluent in Mandarin (written and spoken). Even driving a tour bus or working at McDonalds' would need Chinese language skills. There's really nothing at all. |
Thanks, that's what I needed to know.  |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
If you do not have a ROC id card then your wife will most probably be refused a visa for residency.
The easiest way for teachers to get their dependents residency is for those dependents to get their own ARC's. Even your children will be refused an ARC unless you have ample amounts of quanxi.
I would recommend volunteer work. She can get an ARC for that purpose and no real qualifications are required if the ARC is through a reputable institution.
Try contacting anyone of the various NGO's.
The Community Center in Taipei might be a good place to start.
http://www.community.com.tw/
Good luck and if you need any assistance please contact me.
A. |
Thanks Aristotle. We might also try the US Consulate. |
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chi-chi
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:14 am Post subject: |
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Go to Japan.
Japan is much kinder than either Taiwan or Korea.
Seriously.
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| chi-chi wrote: |
Go to Japan.
Japan is much kinder than either Taiwan or Korea.
Seriously.
Chi-Chi |
I'm sure it's a lovely place, but Japan is not an option. |
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jason_seeburn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Ethnicity and Employment |
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Fortigurn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 6:30 am Post subject: Re: Ethnicity and Employment |
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| jason_seeburn wrote: |
Is she religious? She could go as a missionary. |
We're both religious. We're both going as missionaries. 
But do you mean there's some formal capacity of which the government takes note? You register or something?  |
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jason_seeburn
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Fortigurn
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Thanks jason, that's a big help.  |
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Wolf
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| Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Aristotle wrote: |
| . Even your children will be refused an ARC unless you have ample amounts of quanxi. |
IS THIS TRUE?!?!?
I've never worked in Taiwan, but I was bored today and looked through this thread. First their government goes and declares that my distance MA isn't worth anything, and now THIS!?! If I had children and wanted to re-locate to Taiwan, do you mean to say that I'd be expected to butter up some beaurocrat just to get permission for my own flesh and blood dependants to come with me? What do they expect me do to otherwise? Stick my children in a safety deposit box for a year? Put them in storage? I'm sorry, I don't care how close minded or inept or prejudiced or whatever a government might me: NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE SUCH A POLICY.
Even in the PRC my residence card has space for a spouse and children. Any little ones I might have brought with me wouldn't need to go out and get jobs to stay with me. I'm sorry but it just doesn't work that way.
To the OP: Just how far off your radar is Japan? They offer missionary visas as well. Chi - chi's statement is a bit of a generalization, but in my experience has a grain of truth. |
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Aristotle
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From the research I have compiled foreign workers' dependents are not only unrecognized, they seem to be viewed as a threat. The government of the ROC is anti non-Chinese immigration. Foreigners bringing their families to Taiwan may pose a very real threat to to the institutionalized corruption that is the Republic of China.
One way to get your dependents in for 6 months at a time is to get them a multiple entry visa. You may then extend that visa for up to six months if you have a valid ARC and a little luck or quanxi. You can take the whole family on a midnight cruise around the outlying islands at a group discount, for a visa run.
Good luck,
A. |
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