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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Seoul, South Korea and Myanmar for a bit

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's interesting to me that all the teachers I've heard chime in here are relatively experienced, well-qualified, and in positions that earn well. If you're in a good job, it's fairly normal to raise children practically anywhere. I have no plans to start a family, but if I did, I suppose Ecuador would be the place I would choose.

With some frequency, though, I get applications from newly qualified teachers with children. (often pretty minimally qualified, at that.) And, to be honest with them, I have to tell them that entry level wages for a teacher in Ecuador really don't provide for the raising of foreign children.

In this field, as in most, if you hope to raise children without enduring near poverty, you need to think about having a good, established position and good qualifications.


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Justin
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Gordon



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Trullinger wrote:
It's interesting to me that all the teachers I've heard chime in here are relatively experienced, well-qualified, and in positions that earn well. If you're in a good job, it's fairly normal to raise children practically anywhere. I have no plans to start a family, but if I did, I suppose Ecuador would be the place I would choose.

With some frequency, though, I get applications from newly qualified teachers with children. (often pretty minimally qualified, at that.) And, to be honest with them, I have to tell them that entry level wages for a teacher in Ecuador really don't provide for the raising of foreign children.

In this field, as in most, if you hope to raise children without enduring near poverty, you need to think about having a good, established position and good qualifications.


Best,
Justin


I agree with you Justin. I get quite a few emails from my website saying they want to do what i do, work in a university, raise a family... However, they have no experience or post grad qualifications, sometimes they don't even have a degree. I could never do what I do with entry level qualifications.
A good qualification would be to have a BEd or PGCE so you could work in an int'l school and have your kids there too.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I once got an application from a teacher who was married and the father of six. He wanted to move his family overseas. While a Mexican could easily support a family of 8 on our salary. He came to realize how difficult that would be for a foriegner when I told him that the whole family would need resident visas and that would cost him 2 months salary each year!

This profession is doable with a family. But I think in any field, changing careers while your family is young will be very difficult. It is probably best to get started in a TEFL career and then have a family, or wait until you kids have left home, then start a TEFL career. Not start a TEFL career with a family in tow. Of course, I'm not saying it's impossible, but you're not going to have an easy time of it.
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The_Hanged_Man



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:

A good qualification would be to have a BEd or PGCE so you could work in an int'l school and have your kids there too.


Very true. At my international school there are around 5-6 single mothers who are doing quite well. The free tuition, insurance and rent help a great deal.
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Gringo Greg



Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Location: Everywhere and nowhere

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

naturegirl321 wrote:
I think that many Asian countries are children-friendly. My husband and I don't have kids yet, but I think that China would be a great place to raise a family.
ONe thing I've noticed is that people with kids either live in the husband's or wife's country, For example, the OP, MELEE and I are in our husbands' country. It makes visas and everything much easier. Glenski is in his wife's country.
What's much hard is living in a country that is foreign to both. I know that Gordon and his wife live in Japan and they're both America. It's more difficult because of visas, etc, but I think that it becames "their" country rather than "his" or "hers"


It all depends on the country, many Asian countries are unwelcoming of immigrants and that's the mentality it takes when you start going overseas. My wife and I are from different countries and up until very recently were teaching in a third country. With two kids, it was becoming difficult. The longer you stay, the more you accumulate and the more you want something stable for long term. We looked at going to China, but even in China, we found it unwelcoming long term, great if you wanted to go teach at a uni for a few years or longer, but not so good if you wanted to put down long term roots.

We are spending time now doing rest and restoration, but one thing is clear, we will go abroad again and this time it will be to a country that is accepting of immigrants.
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zaylahis



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:28 am    Post subject: Teaching abroad when you have kids Reply with quote

Ten years ago when Turkish lira still had those many zeros attached to it and inflation rising by the minute, I was a single mother teaching in Istanbul with two teenagers and a six year old. To make ends meet, I had to work nights, weekends but now both my kids and I look back on those days of poverty as rewarding and fun. Unlike their friends who had a cushy life ( cars, maids etc), my children are tolerant,focused, resourceful, resilient and street smart. They can cope better with different situations. They are very marketable, job wise because of their international exposure. Unlike me, they have forgotten their Turkish but whenever we go back on holiday to Istanbul they pick it up again. So yes, living abroad is an education itself for children and so is living just above poverty line. My son is now a budding lawyer, my daughter an investment banker and the youngest scored As and A stars for his IGCSE.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zaylahis, just out of curiosity, where did your kids go to school when you lived in Istanbul and how was their experience? I only wonder because I wonder what I'll do if I end up staying here indefinitely and having a family. Did your kids enroll in the state system? Could you somehow afford or get subsidised tuition in a private kolej?
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zaylahis



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: teaching abroad when you have a kid Reply with quote

As my answer is rather long, I have p.m-ed you yaramaz
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