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briansplnr
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: overstayed on my china visa by 3 days |
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Hi everyone..
has anyone had the experience of accidentally staying over on your china visa... i found out my china visa expired on friday.. now i have to wait till monday to go to hong kong to get a new visa...
I have been hearing from different sources there is a 10 day grace period.. and that the fines differ in different regions in china...
if you pay the fine... do you still get blacklised... or if you pay the fine.. is it still possible to get a new visa...
i am working in guangzhou.... so if this happened to anyone in guagnzhou or guangodng plus share it with me or tell me what to expect...
i have been in china for 10 years off and on... and this is the first time this has happened to me... feel a bit nervous
looking for advice...  |
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caius celestius
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Thou has not saieth it clearly enough: hast thou or hast thou not a resident's permit?
The RP take care of your visa.
If thou hast not an RP thou willst have to pay RMB 500 per diem in fines, accumulable to RMB5000.
Three days cost thou RM1500 in fines. In my experience, a fine wills not affect thy chances ofr reneweing thy contract.
Grace period? We has never heard of tthis outlandish idea. |
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briansplnr
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:14 am Post subject: |
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| I have a Temporary Residence Permit |
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tw
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| briansplnr wrote: |
| I have a Temporary Residence Permit |
You mean the Resident Permit for Foreigner sticker in your passport, right?
The worst case scenario is, as Roger says, a 500 RMB per day fine when you try to go to Hong Kong on Monday. FWIW, you should go to HK tomorrow to save yourself another 500 RMB. Of course, there is also the possibility that you are hauled down to the local PSB office and asked a bunch of questions.
What puzzles me is, don't you have a Foreign Expert Certificate? Doesn't it have the same expiry date as your RPF? Wasn't your employer aware of your RPF's rexpiry date and did the person in charge remind you to get your RPF extended?
Will you get blacklisted? Hopefully not, since you are not here on a tourust visa. But then again, since I don't have any experience with staying after my RPF has expired, I can't say I know what happens. But let this be a lesson to everyone: keep a note on your calendar of your resident permit's expiry date. |
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latefordinner
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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Happened to me some years ago, and yes I paid the 500 per day maximum fine. This after waiting for a payday that was almost 2 weeks late and my employer couldn't get me a Z visa after losing my documents... not my favourite school. No, I wasn't blacklisted, and no I didn't have any difficulty coming back to China.
How did you only just now find out that you were over? You should have known your drop-dead date well in advance. Please, don't tell us you let the school keep your passport and docs for you. <shudder> |
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7969
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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many countries, if you overstay a visa, will place a stamp in your passport saying that you've overstayed. it usually wont bar you from re-entry, but will mean more severe consequences if you overstay on that same passport again.
anyway, overstaying on a residence permit, or any visa for that matter, is just sheer carelessness. the expiry dates couldnt be more clearly laid out. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:30 pm Post subject: See Below |
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| briansplnr wrote: |
| I have a Temporary Residence Permit |
Brian,
1. What kind of a temporary residence permit do you have?
2. Are you here on a Z visa, an F visa, an L visa, etc., etc.?
(not that that will make one iota of a difference to the PSB).
3. There is no such thing as a 10-day grace period, not even during
the national holidays in October and in May. It does not exist.
4. The fines are uniform throughout the country.
5. I know that this is hindsight but before I move on, in the future, if you ever find yourself in a similar situation, please exit to Hong Kong and obtain a visa of some kind to protect your status, L, F, or whatever.
6. You can reasonably expect to be fined when you exit at Shenzhen for Hong Kong if you are going by train or at the Guangzhou East Railway Station if you are taking the train to Kowloon.
7. Additionally, you may, and this happened to me, be hauled into the local PSB Exit and Entry police. They will point out very clearly to you that regardless of what your employer is doing, it is incumbent upon you to check the status of your visa.
8. This is China and who knows in the end but chances are not great that you will be permanently denied re-entry...but for sure expect to be detained and fined.
9. The longer you overstay the more costly things become and the more intricate the process.
Let me share a little story with you. When I first arrived in China several years ago I worked at a great school in Northern China. The FAO-on-duty when I arrived left and was replaced by an absolute idiot who loved his baeju. We were devastated. In any case, the second year, we, that is all of the FTs, handed in our papers quite early for renewal and we kept following up and following up with him...he always reassured us that everything was going smoothly...then he went on vacation, one of the longest vacations that I have ever seen, and in the middle of the night, one nice August day, the PSB arrived and hauled ALL of the foreigners away on grounds of spying...the drunk had not processed our papers, ever, had placed them in his drawer, had left them there, and voila, he disappeared. We were entitled to several days in the Big House and it was not pleasant..the Consulates helped their respective citizens and subjects and the school wanted us to sign "confessions" to make it easier for them to arrange the matter...we didn't but in this case, there was a huge fine and guess what...the PSB in a rather lucid moment recognized what had happened and made the school pay the 10,000 RMB. But it was not pleasant and one and only lesson that I learned from this was that no matter what in China, you are responsible in the end for your visa.
Get a ticket please and go to Hong Kong with some alacrity. |
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william wallace
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| Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| A buddy of mine over stayed hmm ? 5-7 years, he just paid a 10,000 RMB fine,but now I think it would be different, as there are many foreigners. 3 days ? No problem, but take care of it ASAP. |
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briansplnr
Joined: 14 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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Thanks alot guys for your replies.. what i am thinking about is getting a doctor's note saying that i was too sick to travel those days... let me explain..i went to hong kong on the 6th to extend my visa... the travel agent told me to arrive by 12:00 pm so that i could get my visa the same day by 6:00 (the usual procedure).. but since i am an american passport holder they said i should've arrived in hk by 10:00 the travel agent apologized... the thing is i didn't have enough money to stay in hk for 2 days.. so i came back to the lou wu border and i explained to the chinese immigration that i needed to go back and to gz and get money as i could only access it there.. and they let me in... knowing that they agreed to let me come back on monday... so this is the jest of what happened... i have a F visa... though...
so i will go to the border on monday and find out what happened... i will go early if they decide to take me down to psb... if they do and i can't make to my travel agent by 10:00 in the morning... then no problem to stay one night...
anyone have any thoughts on this?? plz let me know...
i hold my own passport... and i did go when i was supposed too... but the travel agent mixed up my time....
what do you guys think of the immigration letting me back in on the same day my visa expired... i still had one entry left... and i used it that time...
i was surprized they let me in....
brian |
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caius celestius
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Your idea of bamboozling the PSB with a story involving a Chinese quack saying you were too ill to travel... hmmm, sounds as though you like gambling a lot. In this case, you ought to consider Macau rather than Hongkong since you might actually hit the jackpot there.
The PSB won't care whether you were comatose or even temporarily dead - they will only see the expiry date and they will suddenly remember that you are a walking cash carrier.
Here is a better hint: try to exit via Macau as the Zhuhai border checkpoints are manned not by PSB but by less professionally-trained people. I once slipped through their net on an expired visa (3 days overdue).
BUt no guaratnee for success from me! |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: Re: overstayed on my china visa by 3 days |
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| briansplnr wrote: |
| I have been hearing from different sources there is a 10 day grace period.. and that the fines differ in different regions in china... |
Don't believe everything you read -- even on some government websites. There is no grace period. The legal fine is 500 per day to a maximum of 5,000 RMB.
That said, authorities do have great lattitude when deciding if you pay a fine and how much it will be (as long as it isn't over the legal maximum). I have seen people get away with only a hand slapping or a token fine. I have seen people get hit with the max, too. |
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lychee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| It has happened to me a couple of times, there was a grace period of 5 days, no fine but the 500 a day is true but maxes out at 5000 |
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garbotara
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| Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I overstayed a few days once and just went to the PSB and honestly explained why. I had to go to the local PSB and get another temporary residents permit and then I was able to extend my visa again. I didn't have to pay anything. I saw a few people pay 500 a day. I was all set to do that if needed. Luckily I didn't have to do do. |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Be prepared to have to explain it to the passport control people. Maybe they may let you slide, mabye they will fine you. If they do try to fine you be nice and very apoligetic - they chinese police will fill you alot lower if you act sorry and tell them it was your mistake and you are sorry.
Of course be prepared with the $ in case. Trust me if they do fine you and you do not have the rmb with you they WILL DRIVE YOU TO AN ATM to get the rmb... |
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