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mdk



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:05 pm    Post subject: political stability in Mexico? Reply with quote

Every once in awhile I wonder if, instead of going back to Europe, I should just find a nice quiet town in Mexico for work so I would be close to my kids, but then...

I just read the news about guerillas blowing up an oil pipeline for PEMEX and that is on top of Oaxaca and the border situations.

I don't want to start a big political flame thread, but would you honestly advise looking for work in Mexico today?
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MikeySaid



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: political stability in Mexico? Reply with quote

mdk wrote:
I just read the news about guerillas blowing up an oil pipeline for PEMEX and that is on top of Oaxaca and the border situations.


You didn't even mention the NARCOS.

So far I've only heard of a few non-Mexicans being touched by the problems in Mexico. Generally speaking they are people who have involved themselves like the camera man/reporter in Oaxaca.

There seemed to be some worries following the recent presidential election, but it seems that AMLO is losing/has lost steam.

If you peruse the board you'll find that most people in Mexico feel very safe.
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danielita



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: political stability in Mexico? Reply with quote

mdk wrote:

I just read the news about guerillas blowing up an oil pipeline for PEMEX and that is on top of Oaxaca and the border situations.

I live in the state of Oaxaca and spent time in Oaxaca city last week. Never, at any point have I felt unsafe. We face the odd road block because someone is protesting a cause but other than that, it is about as boring as it gets around here. My biggest risk is getting hit by a cow (yep, that is a cow running up the road straight at me in my car)
Unless you are a Narco or illegal immigrant, your biggest risk is a crime of opportunity which can happen anywhere.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In DF, which should be the biggest, baddest place of all, I can tell you that politics never really give us cause for worrying about our safety. Mexico is relatively stable now. The biggest pain-in-the-a*** in Mexico City is having to drive miles out of your way to avoid the frequent demonstrations in Reforma (the main avenue).
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many joys and annoyances about living in Mexico. Political instablity is not one of (either of) them.


Would I honestly advise looking for work in Mexico? As much now as I ever have. I love living in Mexico and it can be a great place to live and work, but it's not for everyone. The very fact you asked the question, puts you tentively on the --not for-- side in my view.
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delacosta



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ouch!
It hurts my head to imagine that anyone actually believes that ' guerillas' were responsible for those explosions.
There is currently no active guerrila movement in Mexico, period.

The only time there are any 'incidents' are during moments of political tension in which a diversion of attention is necessary.

For those who read Spanish here's a good dose of skepticism surrounding this latest spoof directed by the current defacto ocupiers of the Mexican presidency, taken from todays' El Grafico:

Serpientes y Escaleras
Salvador Garc�a Soto
11 de julio de 2007


Terror, guerrilla y distractores

Las bombas que estallaron en ductos de Petr�leos Mexicanos de la zona del Baj�o y la supuesta reivindicaci�n del Ej�rcito Popular Revolucionario de esos atentados, son hechos que reproducen un extra�o patr�n recurrente en los �ltimos a�os: en situaciones de tensi�n pol�tica extrema, cuando el ambiente est� caldeado y se busca inducir miedo, temor o distracci�n, ocurren aparatosas explosiones que atrapan la atenci�n de los medios y la opini�n p�blica.

Esos atentados siempre tienen en com�n que suceden de madrugada, contra objetivos financieros o estrat�gicos, se usan explosivos de alto poder con mecanismos de sincronizaci�n precisa que provocan estallidos aparatosos aunque poco da�inos y, la caracter�stica com�n en todos los casos recientes: nunca hay v�ctimas.

El �ltimo caso antes de los atentados contra instalaciones de Pemex fueron aquellos bombazos espectaculares en el DF. El 6 de noviembre de 2006, a un mes de la toma de posesi�n de Felipe Calder�n, en la tensi�n por el fallo que valid� la elecci�n presidencial y el largo conflicto que viv�a Oaxaca, las instalaciones del Tribunal Electoral federal, de una sucursal de Scotia Bank y de la sede nacional del PRI, fueron los objetivos de los supuestos atentados.

D�as despu�s cinco presuntos grupos guerrilleros �Movimiento Revolucionario Lucio Caba�as Barrientos (MR-LCB) Tendencia Democr�tica Revolucionaria�Ej�rcito del Pueblo (TDR-EP), Organizaci�n Insurgente 1� de Mayo (OI-1� M), Brigada de Ajusticiamiento 2 de Diciembre (BA-2D) y Brigadas Populares de Liberaci�n (BPL)� se adjudicaron todos los atentados.

Nada pas� aquella vez. Ni hubo nuevos atentados ni investigaci�n a fondo de las explosiones.

Ayer, cinco d�as despu�s de los estallidos en ductos de Pemex, un supuesto comunicado del EPR reivindica las acciones y anuncia una �campa�a de hostigamiento� hasta lograr la liberaci�n de dos presuntos compa�eros suyos.

Varias cosas llaman la atenci�n en este nuevo cap�tulo de las guerrillas intermitentes en M�xico. Primero, la reaparici�n del EPR tras varios a�os de inactividad subversiva y de una merma de ese grupo por diferencias y fracturas entre sus comandantes en los �ltimos a�os y que dieron origen a otras expresiones como el ERPI y el TDR-EP.

Hace exactamente un a�o hab�a gran expectativa por una reactivaci�n del EPR al cumplirse, el 28 de junio del 2006, 10 a�os de su irrupci�n en el primer aniversario de la matanza de Aguas Blancas, Guerrero. Pero entonces no pas� nada y hoy, un a�o despu�s de aquel aniversario, resurge la guerrilla eperrista. Lo hace adem�s con un discurso que tiene una gran similitud con la ret�rica de Andr�s Manuel L�pez Obrador, al hablar de �la oligarqu�a� y de �gobierno ileg�timo�.

Los lugares elegidos para los presuntos atentados tambi�n llaman la atenci�n: la regi�n del Baj�o, hoy por hoy el mayor basti�n del panismo a nivel nacional, no estuvo nunca entre las zonas de influencia o de actividad del EPR, que desde su aparici�n se movi� entre Oaxaca, Guerrero, estado de M�xico, Morelos y el Distrito Federal.

En la rapidez y premura con la que el gobierno del presidente Calder�n reacciona al presunto comunicado del EPR hay otro hecho llamativo. En los 8 meses de la actual administraci�n, Maximiliano Cort�zar nunca hab�a hecho funciones de vocero; es conocido su rechazo a ese papel desde que asumi� la Direcci�n de Comunicaci�n Social y esta vez hizo de portavoz incluso a bordo del avi�n presidencial, como si hubiera un apremio particular en reaccionar a la presunta reivindicaci�n de los atentados.

Hoy por lo pronto, el tema de los atentados se ha vuelto el nuevo foco medi�tico y de opini�n p�blica; opac�, por ahora, al chino Zenli Ye Gon y sus amenazas de presentar �pruebas� de sus dichos el 18 de julio. No se sabe si esta vez s� habr� una investigaci�n a fondo o si despu�s de algunos d�as el tema ser� sepultado. Ya se ver� si estamos ante una amenaza real de la reactivaci�n de la guerrilla, que est� probando al gobierno de Calder�n, o si alguien volvi� a la vieja pr�ctica mexicana de utilizar el terror y el amago subversivo como t�ctica distractora.
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mdk



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm sure you guys are all correct and it would be safe as houses. But I also think I would prefer someplace a little quieter. So I think I'll stick with my plans to return to Spain - if only for a decent glass of sherry.

Too bad, I always liked that scene in Treasure of the Sierra Madre where the older guy settles down in the little village because he can set bones. It sounded like a nice life.

Thanks again,
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lozwich



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having lived in both places, I'd say Mexico is tons safer than Spain. With ETA cancelling the ceasefire, the potential for wandering across a bomb is something you could face in Spain, but a lot less likely in Mexico.

But in the end, being where you'll be happy is the most important, and I don't know if they even sell sherry in Mexico! Smile
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mdk



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pues, tienes razon amigo.

y tambien es totalmente imposible encontrar comida Mexicana en Espana

Pero, si tienen Bacalao......Xmmmm.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having just returned from six months in Madrid, I can assure mdk that you can find Mexican food in Madrid, but it's always at somewhat pricey (at least on my budget) restaurants. Also, Spaniards are not fond of spicey food, so even the "picante"dishes on the menu are very mild in flavor.
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MikeySaid



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Location: Torreon, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
Having just returned from six months in Madrid, I can assure mdk that you can find Mexican food in Madrid, but it's always at somewhat pricey (at least on my budget) restaurants. Also, Spaniards are not fond of spicey food, so even the "picante"dishes on the menu are very mild in flavor.


Yeah... I had "burritos" in Madrid and they were horrible. The best Mexican food I've had outside of North America was in.... Iceland. Granted, it may not have actually been very good, but it had been a month and Mama's Tacos filled a void that needed filling.

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mdk



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, sure. You can find a Mexican restaurant, and maybe it will be even somewhat reminiscent, but they have trouble getting corn masa, so how can you get a decent enchilada?

I guess you could probably whomp up some machaca or something.

In Siberia my second winter there a brought in some store bought Mole sauce and bought myself a turkey leg so I could have some turkey in Mole.
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J Sevigny



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There hasn't been a revolution in Mexico in almost a century, so I suppose it's a politically stable country. There have, of course, been many numerous, ugly, inhumane episodes such as the 1968 and 1971 massacres, the recent madness in Oaxaca and Atenco, etc. That said, there hasn't been a major terrorist attack here as there has in the United States. No anthrax and no major, LA/Miami style rioting either. It would be sad if you chose not to come to this country because of "political instability."
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