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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: What would make you stay permanently. |
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What would you need in order to consider living in Japan permanently?
Obviously many stay here for spousal/family reasons, and I'm sure there are bureaucratic obstacles but aside from those type of things what would the place have to offer for you to think about making Japan your home.
For me,
1. A permanent job not necessarily (in fact not likely) in ESL, that paid at upwards of 600K/month with opportunity to make more.
2. The ability to buy a house.
Pretty simple really. |
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Quibby84

Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 643 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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My entire family moves here...that would make me stay... |
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JaredW

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 105 Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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I married a lady from Japan, but I teach in California. What would allow me to live in Japan--and I really do want to live there--is a job that pays me almost the same as I make now as a teacher in California with the benefits and the retirement package.
As it is, the only job that is in Japan that come close to that job description is working on the military bases teaching the military brats. And, I'm preparing for that by getting credentialed in more than one subject area. |
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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JaredW wrote: |
I married a lady from Japan, but I teach in California. What would allow me to live in Japan--and I really do want to live there--is a job that pays me almost the same as I make now as a teacher in California with the benefits and the retirement package.
As it is, the only job that is in Japan that come close to that job description is working on the military bases teaching the military brats. And, I'm preparing for that by getting credentialed in more than one subject area. |
There are a number of international schools in Japan too. For example the American School of Japan's salary ranges from $61,000 to $75,000. Plus they give strong benefits like insurance, housing, retirement plan, shipping, and a relocation bonus ($6000!). I'm friends with a couple who are starting there next year, and I'm hoping they can put in a good word for me when I am recruiting next year. |
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User N. Ame
Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 222 Location: Kanto
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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I can see one scenario which might bring me back permanently:
I win the lotto, give my Japanese wife enough cash to return to Japan and purchase (or build) a small onsen ryokan in the Nagano Alps.... |
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JaredW

Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 105 Location: teaching high school in Sacramento, CA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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The_Hanged_Man wrote: |
JaredW wrote: |
I married a lady from Japan, but I teach in California. What would allow me to live in Japan--and I really do want to live there--is a job that pays me almost the same as I make now as a teacher in California with the benefits and the retirement package.
As it is, the only job that is in Japan that come close to that job description is working on the military bases teaching the military brats. And, I'm preparing for that by getting credentialed in more than one subject area. |
There are a number of international schools in Japan too. For example the American School of Japan's salary ranges from $61,000 to $75,000. Plus they give strong benefits like insurance, housing, retirement plan, shipping, and a relocation bonus ($6000!). I'm friends with a couple who are starting there next year, and I'm hoping they can put in a good word for me when I am recruiting next year. |
I have researched that avenue extensively because some of those schools are very prestigious and sound like a lot of fun to work in. For example, Yokhama International has a great IB program and recently put on a production of the Mikado.
But, in researching, I also realized that most teachers at the accredited international schools are single, or they are married couples that can both teach. Also, teachers with two or more kids are the severe minority because schools offer a tuition discount that would cut into the schools profits if my two kids attended. |
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johanne
Joined: 18 Apr 2003 Posts: 189
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 7:46 am Post subject: |
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Dear Jared,
I teach at an international school and if you are married to a Japanese you are just as hirable (if that's a word) as the single teachers. I came here 3 years ago with a Japanese spouse and 1 child and had 3 job offers from international schools. If I were you I wouldn't rule it out as a good possibility, assuming you have a teaching certificate which it sounds like you do.
International schools here would consider you a "local hire" if you are coming with a Japanese wife, so wouldn't pay for you airfare over or your shipping costs, but they would enroll your kids for free (or almost free - you might pay 5-10%). Depending on the school they may help you out with housing. You are an attractive prospect because you already have support from your wife for adjusting to the country and are more likely to stay long term.
Anyway, it seemed to be in my favour when I was applying so good luck. PM me if you have any specific questions. |
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Wasabi Bomb

Joined: 03 Jul 2007 Posts: 33 Location: Osaka, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Financial stability. Basically that means at least doubling my current income of 265,000 per month, and having full medical/dental benefits and hopefully a retirement fund that my employer makes partial payments to.
Whether the doubling of my income comes from my main employer or from other sources is irrelevant to me, so I'm working on ways of doing that while still in my current position. |
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Odango
Joined: 12 Feb 2007 Posts: 36
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Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Wasabi Bomb wrote: |
Financial stability. Basically that means at least doubling my current income of 265,000 per month, and having full medical/dental benefits and hopefully a retirement fund that my employer makes partial payments to.
Whether the doubling of my income comes from my main employer or from other sources is irrelevant to me, so I'm working on ways of doing that while still in my current position. |
Though, around 260,000 a month you are able to sustain a regular life style? Including rent of a fair size house/apartment? Bills/food etc? |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:49 am Post subject: |
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Reasons to stay?
If my man, who's an IT speech specialist from Europe, could get a career foothold here.
If I could find just the right fit with a school. It seems either I have no responsibility and no say on curriculum/syllabus design and get deathly bored and despondent because I feel I'm not serving my studentsand get paid a good salary...
...or I'm a HR teacher, get great satisfaction from seeing the students progress in their subjects and grow as people and get paid peanuts.
I'm hoping my next teaching gig splits the difference. Pray for me, folks. |
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stuhiggers
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Posts: 12
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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A pair of X-ray spectacles which had a magical microchip which would allow me to see through the clothes of every Japanese woman aged between 17 - 35 and ONLY if they were totally hot. One does have standards in these matters of course! |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Why stay in Japan?
Why not ask Bobby Ologun:
On July 26, 2007, he announced on Mezamashi TV that he had become a naturalized citizen of Japan, taking his wife's surname and becoming Bobby Konda (近田ボビー Konda Bobi)"
Still looking for a concrete English language link for this story. |
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sidjameson
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 629 Location: osaka
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Liz if those xray specks were available do you know what percentage of men would be wearing them?
The moon would soon be one crowded bit of real estate.
If you find Stuhiggers "offensive" then what word would you use to describe the war in Iraq or the fact that a baby dies every 6 seconds from easily preventable illnesses? |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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sidjameson wrote: |
If you find Stuhiggers "offensive" then what word would you use to describe the war in Iraq or the fact that a baby dies every 6 seconds from easily preventable illnesses? |
How about really big time offensive.
Anyhow our stu here is more pointless than offensive. |
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