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Green Council - DF, July 29th
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Green Council - DF, July 29th Reply with quote

Now here's an interesting event.

http://www.observatoriociudadanodf.org.mx/

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El Observatorio Ciudadano de la Ciudad de M�xico te invita a participar en la Consulta Verde que se realizar� el pr�ximo 29 de julio, con el objetivo de definir acciones a favor del desarrollo sustentable y cuidado del medio ambiente, tomando en cuenta la opini�n y las necesidades de la ciudadan�a.


From 8 AM to 8 PM, the Green Council event will see volunteers manning kiosks all over the city, looking for input from Capitalinos on how to make the city greener and more environmentally friendly.

Some of the questions to be asked:

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1.- �Est� de acuerdo en que los recursos p�blicos disponibles para transporte en la ciudad se destinen principalmente a la construcci�n de la L�nea 12 del Metro y a las 10 l�neas del Metrob�s (243 kms.)?
�Cu�l deber ser el destino de la l�nea 12 del Metro?
a) Iztapalapa-Tl�huac
b) Iztapalapa-Acoxpa

2.- �Est�s de acuerdo en que se sustituyan todos los microbuses que circulan en el D.F. por veh�culos nuevos antes del 2012?

3.- Los taxis del D.F. que actualmente consumen gasolina �deben ser sustituidos por veh�culos que utilicen otro tipo de motores m�s limpios: el�ctricos, diesel, h�bridos (gas y gasolina)?

4.- �El transporte escolar del Distrito Federal deber ser obligatorio para las escuelas particulares?

5.- �Para disminuir el tr�fico y la contaminaci�n, cada autom�vil particular debe dejar de circular un s�bado al mes?

6.- �Est�s de acuerdo en aumentar los espacios verdes de la ciudad y establecer la obligatoriedad de arborizar las azoteas de toda nueva construcci�n en el Distrito Federal?

7.- �Todo transporte de carga debe pasar por la verificaci�n vehicular obligatoria y circular por la ciudad en horario restringido?

8.- �Est�s de acuerdo en que se construyan 500 pozos de absorci�n de agua de lluvia, 4 plantas de tratamiento de agua y dos lagunas de regulaci�n?

9.- �Quieres que se castigue con penas m�s severas a la invasi�n de predios de valor ambiental y la destrucci�n bosques?

10.- �Est�s de acuerdo en que se construya en el D.F. un centro integral para el manejo de la basura?



The questions are pretty lame though. They seem to have a plan in place to present and rather than seek real input from citizens, they just want to gather the signatures of many nodding heads. I'd rather see something on recycling, solar power panel subsidies, and other economic incentives to go greener. But, I'll be out there anyway to see what the plan is.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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5.- �Para disminuir el tr�fico y la contaminaci�n, cada autom�vil particular debe dejar de circular un s�bado al mes?


Ridiculous infringement of human rights!
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the human right to breathe (reasonably) clean air?!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just waiting for someone to roll out that old clich�. Congratulations!!!
It's a sad world we live in these days when everyone is telling everyone else what they can and can't do.

I see children being taught their "rights" these days! I don't hear much about their duties. If people were more concerned about that, we would have a better world. I would rather live a city with pollution (which, btw, I have never really had a problem with) than, for example, live with neighbors who have no respect for the tranquility of others.
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: hoy no circula Reply with quote

human right or not... the "hoy no circula" doesnt work for the weekdays... never mind doing it for a Sat, when traffic really isnt that bad. When "hoy no circula" was originally introduced, anyone with the money bought a second car to drive for when their "primary" was blocked from circulation so the end result was no real decrease in DF traffic but a great boon to auto dealers!

Given how bad DF traffic is, the better solution in the long run is to (continue) improving the mass transit and (tho I agree this one is harder) improve its image. Many middle class and higher class Mexicans refuse to use public transport because poor people use it (and therefore must be dangerous and/or goddess-forbid we look "naco"). We have a similar problem in the States. Commuter trains that lead into the major Metro terminals would be a big help here esp. from the northern suburbs and perhaps Toluca too (might as well put in a plug that would benefit me!). Also have Park n Ride secured lots for commuters.

Any number of my students have told me that their fathers (its usually fathers) would be happy to use a commuter train if it were available as they could get in and out of the city faster and home earlier.

I know -- easier said than done when the owners of the ridiculously posh houses on western Reforma are battling against a much-needed Metro bus (like the dilapidated micros that now traverse there are really better??????).
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know -- easier said than done when the owners of the ridiculously posh houses on western Reforma are battling against a much-needed Metro bus (like the dilapidated micros that now traverse there are really better??????).


Agreed, though nothing both makes me laugh and cry more than seeing those same rich idiots in clogged traffic along Reforma driving SUVs or fancy cars with only one person inside. If they can't get a Metrobus on Reforma, then the least they could do is designate one lane for carpooling.

As it is, Reforma has traffic signals that people ignore, so they send a battalion of traffic cops to hand-manage the rich kids through the morning rat maze. May as well hand these officers ticketpads and put them in a carpool lane to get the point across.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
I see children being taught their "rights" these days! I don't hear much about their duties.


While I whole heartedly agree with this statement.

I object to this one.
Phil_K wrote:

Ridiculous infringement of human rights!


It seems to me that Mexicans have taken their favorite Benito Juarez quote the wrong way Respecto al derecho ajeno es the paz to me means that you have to think of the greater good and not do things that infringe on others rights. That is our duty as citizens (of the world, not of any political entity). But people have come to take it to me that we have to allow others to do what ever they please.

Hopefully Mexico City does take massive action of some sort. The questions are very leading and reflect the attitude of the Mexican government that they people aren't capable of knowing what needs to be done.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Volunteers were out in force yesterday around Mexico City. Looked like they got a good turnout in the three places I saw them.



I voted at one of several locations set up in Parque Mexico. The ballots were as expected...simple yes/no on if you agree to the proposals already in the works. They let me use a red crayon! Surprised





Parque Mexico is a nice spot to consider the environment...good place for a voting booth.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Parque Mexico/Parque Espa�a area is one of my favorites in the DF. Wonder how much it would cost to rent an apartment there?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: D.F. Reply with quote

Hola,

I keep reading about the D.F. in Mexico City. What does D.F. stand for Question

Gracias,

K
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Distrito Federal...Federal District...just like Washington, DC. Not quite a state. People here either call the city la Ciudad de Mexico, el De-efe, el Distrito, or simply Mexico. The last can be confusing if you are in, say, Queretaro and someone asks if you have visited Mexico yet.

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The Parque Mexico/Parque Espa�a area is one of my favorites in the DF. Wonder how much it would cost to rent an apartment there?


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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...and just to add confusion, the Distrito Federal is surrounded by the Estado de Mexico (State of Mexico) - another state. I suppose that technically the country itself could be termed a state in another sense of the word, but it refered to by Mexicans as "the Republic".
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geaaronson



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: solution Reply with quote

I agree with Thelmadatter. I would add that if the city government were to make it a little more expensive for car owners to drive their cars around, there would be more transit users.
Increased taxation of private and public parking lots and increased registration costs could cut down on the solitary drivers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they would also have to make some improvements to the Metro, while it is one of the nicest systems in the Americas it's downright shabby next to South Korea and Japan. There needs to be more trains on the major lines at rush hour, it's just too over crowded. If I lived in the city I would do what ever I could to avoid the metro at those times. And while I saw some new carriages when I was there last February, more of the old trains need to be updated. As it is the metro is cheap and easy, but it's not a comfortable way to travel during rush hours.

Of course all these things take money. Should they raise the taxes on car registration and parking lots enough to cover the revamping of the metro? Sounds like a question for la consulta verde.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMLO held a referendum when his regime was in power in DF, on whether to add more metro lines or build the second level to the Perifierico. 2nd level won.

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If I lived in the city I would do what ever I could to avoid the metro at those times.


It does get to be a crush. Best thing to do is live in the city and not the burbs so you're always going against the flow..that or walking. I pretty much walk to wherever I need to go.
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