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Metro Travel from Suburbs of Moscow
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coledavis



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well, some of it may be 'normal', but the people are often ignorant of what goes on in their name. E.g. television documentaries in Russia about Chechnya show lots of photos of dead Russian soldiers and evidence of insurgents' atrocities, but nothing about the dubious part of Russian involvement. Also, as an example, here's a precis of a conversation with a Russian friend:
Myself: Are you free? What about your leader's first act coming into power, closing down independent radio stations?
Friend: I didn't know that.
Myself: Worked well, didn't it?
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
coledavis wrote:
Well, some of it may be 'normal', but the people are often ignorant of what goes on in their name. E.g. television documentaries in Russia about Chechnya show lots of photos of dead Russian soldiers and evidence of insurgents' atrocities, but nothing about the dubious part of Russian involvement. Also, as an example, here's a precis of a conversation with a Russian friend:
Myself: Are you free? What about your leader's first act coming into power, closing down independent radio stations?
Friend: I didn't know that.
Myself: Worked well, didn't it?


Sounds just like American ignorance. (FTR I am an American-thank-you-very-much)
The difference is that American government is less obviously under the control of corporate business. Clear Channel buying them up is no different in effect from closing them down. FOX is different from ORT only in its sensationalist approach.

Like I said, though, the importance of politics depends upon your world view. If you believe that 'this life is all there is, baby', then politics becomes immeasurably important. However, as you realize that as an individual you can effect very little, and in a world (country, whatever) dominated by pluralistic ideology you can't get unity because people believe so many different and opposing things, it becomes primarily a cause for despair. (Obviously, I don't believe that, though!)

Anyway, it looks like we've left the Metro, and are standing at the newspaper stand outside the entrance. It costs 15 rubles (60 cents) for a ticket currently. What station would you like to go to next? Smile
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mdk



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I want to go to Kholomenskoe and have a shashlik! Smile
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maruss



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Which station? Reply with quote
I want to go on the secret metro line which runs under the city!You can read all about it on the metro.ru site if you understand Russian.It is also apparently possible to glimpse the entrance to it as you pull out of Tverskaya station on the dark green line heading south towards Teatralnaya!Now that would be something interesting.....
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That's the one that connects Hotel Russiya (is it still standing at all?) with the Kremlin, right?
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maruss



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:30 am    Post subject: Secret metro line.. Reply with quote
It's a whole network,not just from the Kremlin to the Rossia hotel and was obviously initially built as a refuge and escape route for the elite in the event of war etc.Apparently it is still operated regularly and there are also supplies of food and other essentials stored there.I did manage to glean that the specially authorised personnel who work on it use the public metro to gain access to some stations while it is closed between 01.00 and 05.30 but that's about all I know and even close Russian friends know nothing more either-they probably accept the existence of such things as being quite normal much more easily than we do and don't share our curiosity either!
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, I knew it was more than the Kremlin-Russiya connection.

We have the same tales here in Prague, and I also believe there's more to it than urban myth.
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