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OGFT
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| This type of employment concept can't really be regarded as being farmed-out in the typical sense - since the workload is FT self-regulated (I do believe this is called freelancing). |
I was not trying to indicate this as being farmed out. If I gave that impression
then let me clarify. Working in another city often has some of the niceties that Clark was addressing but they rarely come with an employer "farming" you out but rather in a situation in which you are freelancing. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I said several times, again for the record I think Griswold's site, overall is a good one.
I do thinks his statements about being farmed out are very contradictory to other things he has said, and I supplied some of the references.
Is his site a recruiting site? The recruiting part of Dave's site is extremely small. But his site is acting as a middleman role in this regard. And I clarified "recruiting" with the getting involved as a middleman .. IF funds are accepted.
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| First off those rates of RMB4,000-5,000 a month for an average of 25 hours are in our opinion correct. You make mention of high schools and universities which indeed only have average workloads of 14-18 hours per week. But you seem to be forgetting private training institutes which may require 30 or even 40 hours a week. Therefore you have an approximate average of 25 hours a week |
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If you look at the ads on the Griswold site itself, you wom't find this.
30-40 hours at a private institute for 4,000-5,000. Where???? Which school at your site?
to quote the rock
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| If anyone is working for 4000 - 5000RMB a month teaching 25 hours a week, they are getting screwed big time. If one is working 25 hours a week, they are more than likely to be employed by a McMill. The majority of University/College jobs offer around 4000 to 5000RMB a month and this is for anywhere between 12 to 20 hours of dancing a week. |
Totally unreal, not reflected in your site's advertisements |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| arioch36 wrote: |
| I said several times, again for the record I think Griswold's site, overall is a good one. |
Well thank you very much. Despite appearances however it is not 'my' site but I am certainly it's most vocal part-collaborator.
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| I do thinks his statements about being farmed out are very contradictory to other things he has said, and I supplied some of the references. |
But the references you supplied really did not have any relationship to what I have written in this thread.
I understand your assumption but your assumption is once again baseless. You are assuming that the work at different locations that I am referring to above is illegal. And you are further assuming that as I speak well of that work that I am supporting illegal work. Wrong on both accounts.
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| Is his site a recruiting site? The recruiting part of Dave's site is extremely small. But his site is acting as a middleman role in this regard. And I clarified "recruiting" with the getting involved as a middleman .. IF funds are accepted. |
Arioch this is just silly. First off having ads on a website does not make one a recruiter nor a middle man. I think that everyone would agree that a middle man or recruiter would be someone that makes money from an actual job placement. We don't so we are not recruiters. Users contact schools direct and deal with schools directly - neither party has any contact with us past the initial registration.
But if in your mind this does qualify a site as being a recruiter then by that logic Dave Sperling is a recruiter himself also. Considering that Dave has a lot more jobs, over a much wider market, and makes a lot more money from those ads then by your logic he must really be a serious recruiter too.
Importantly though you seem to be ignoring the fact that all job ads and listings over there are free.
Considering your logic as to what constitutes a recruiter and my reply it seems clear that you are once again incorrect.
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| If you look at the ads on the Griswold site itself, you wom't find this. 30-40 hours at a private institute for 4,000-5,000. Where???? Which school at your site? |
There is certainly more than one school that averages RMB4,000-5,000 for an average of 25 hours a week listed on our site, just as there are jobs averaging 14-18 hours a week for RMB5,000-6,000 and other jobs averaging 30 or so hours for RMB10,000+. Then there are mixes of the above - jobs with 15 hours workloads but RMB10,000+ wages. Quite honestly I think that you are getting hung up on a certain sentence which when taken out of context can be misconstrued. Does not seem to be very productive to me so hopefully that will be the end of this part of the discussion.
Rock - I certainly don't disagree with you that RMB4,000-5,000 for 30-40 hours a week or even for 25 hours a week is not a good wage. I have never suggested that it was. But the wage is an average of what you can expect to find in China. And the hourly workload is an average of what you can expect to find in China. It is up to the individual to choose what he or she wants to choose work wise. |
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englishgibson
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| arioch36 wrote: |
| I said several times, again for the record I think Griswold's site, overall is a good one. |
Well thank you very much. Despite appearances however it is not 'my' site but I am certainly it's most vocal part-collaborator.. |
Keep it comin'
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