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beautification
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 Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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My contract isn't up until December but my school has been beating around the bush about my girlfriend and I coming back.
I'm interested in some opinions in regard to what I should ask for in return.
The school is an elementary school with private kids coming from various places in Foshan and Shunde as well as local kids from this town. Currently I only make 5000 RMB with the common extras you find for entry level jobs, i.e apartment, ticket reimbursement, etc.
What kind of salary would I be able to negotiate for? |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 10:21 am Post subject: |
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7000 - 8000 but be prepared to move on ...if they balk.
They will haggle and until you get a renewal inked don't consider their words firm...
Eevn after you get a signed renewal don't consider it firm... |
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arioch36
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Before I came to China, my Chinese friends had thre words for me.... when in China... Bargain, Bargain, Bargain
I have found one of the most effective ways to to approach a couple other schools, get job offers from them, and if higher, take it to your school, and ask can you do better.
BARGAIN! And prepared to hear how they treat you soooo much better then Chinese teachers  |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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| beautification wrote: |
My contract isn't up until December but my school has been beating around the bush about my girlfriend and I coming back.
I'm interested in some opinions in regard to what I should ask for in return.
The school is an elementary school with private kids coming from various places in Foshan and Shunde as well as local kids from this town. Currently I only make 5000 RMB with the common extras you find for entry level jobs, i.e apartment, ticket reimbursement, etc.
What kind of salary would I be able to negotiate for? |
The key here is Private Institution.
Also use your education level to get a better pay raise.
If you were working at the university level, the best raise your could get would be a few hundred RMB extra a month.
Private schools should pay more especially if you have done a good job. |
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james s
Joined: 07 Feb 2007
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Location: Raincity
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| Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| 8000 minimum with accom. 30 hours per week, 22 teaching. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Timing is also important - since your contract isn't up until December, you may want to indicate that you could be interested in staying, but realy don't need to throw any figures around for 2/3 months - while at the same time you've also sorted out some possible employment alternatives.
By the way, I think, your school is broaching this subject at such an early date, because they want to find out if they have to recruiting replacement cheap FT's - I seriously doubt if you started negotiating now that they would even be happy in talking about 6,000 |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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| beautification wrote: |
My contract isn't up until December but my school has been beating around the bush about my girlfriend and I coming back.
I'm interested in some opinions in regard to what I should ask for in return.
The school is an elementary school with private kids coming from various places in Foshan and Shunde as well as local kids from this town. Currently I only make 5000 RMB with the common extras you find for entry level jobs, i.e apartment, ticket reimbursement, etc.
What kind of salary would I be able to negotiate for? |
Beautification,
First, by Chinese standards, it's really, really early in the process...like another poster wrote, if you sign on now, then you will for sure sign on for cheap.
Do you hold a university degree (a four-year full one)? How long have you been here?
I think that I have a good idea at which school you are working...and my God, they got you cheap.
In the greater Guangzhou metropolitan area, elementary schools and middle schools tend to pay much, much, much more than universities. You should be considering jobs in the RMB 8,000 - RMB 12,000 range, not one RMB less for 20 hours per week and all the usual accouterments.
I wouldn't sign on board for this one just yet...I would like at all the boards, make a "hit list" of schools in GZ in which you might consider working and then narrow it down, start the networking process, schmooze hard over the next 2 / 3 months and with other offers in hand, have a nice chat with your school.
All the best,
HFG |
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SnoopBot
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| beautification wrote: |
My contract isn't up until December but my school has been beating around the bush about my girlfriend and I coming back.
I'm interested in some opinions in regard to what I should ask for in return.
The school is an elementary school with private kids coming from various places in Foshan and Shunde as well as local kids from this town. Currently I only make 5000 RMB with the common extras you find for entry level jobs, i.e apartment, ticket reimbursement, etc.
What kind of salary would I be able to negotiate for? |
Beautification,
First, by Chinese standards, it's really, really early in the process...like another poster wrote, if you sign on now, then you will for sure sign on for cheap.
Do you hold a university degree (a four-year full one)? How long have you been here?
I think that I have a good idea at which school you are working...and my God, they got you cheap.
In the greater Guangzhou metropolitan area, elementary schools and middle schools tend to pay much, much, much more than universities. You should be considering jobs in the RMB 8,000 - RMB 12,000 range, not one RMB less for 20 hours per week and all the usual accouterments.
I wouldn't sign on board for this one just yet...I would like at all the boards, make a "hit list" of schools in GZ in which you might consider working and then narrow it down, start the networking process, schmooze hard over the next 2 / 3 months and with other offers in hand, have a nice chat with your school.
All the best,
HFG |
Also I will add to HFG's post above. I am not sure what news you all are getting in China. I'm back in the USA for vacation so I have been able to look at lots of economic data (usually blocked by the great firewall) that indicates serious inflation in China.
Figures range from 6% for certain items all the way up to 15% . This is a huge jump in inflation and some of the economic sites state the true inflation figures are much higher than the Chinese government estimates.
This means if you try for a 15% pay raise you are breaking even when you calculate in inflation. (last year salary to next year)
I wonder if Beijing salaries will increase to match inflation figures? |
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therock
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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| SnoopBot wrote: |
Also I will add to HFG's post above. I am not sure what news you all are getting in China. I'm back in the USA for vacation so I have been able to look at lots of economic data (usually blocked by the great firewall) that indicates serious inflation in China.
Figures range from 6% for certain items all the way up to 15% . This is a huge jump in inflation and some of the economic sites state the true inflation figures are much higher than the Chinese government estimates.
This means if you try for a 15% pay raise you are breaking even when you calculate in inflation. (last year salary to next year)
I wonder if Beijing salaries will increase to match inflation figures? |
Well if this is true then it's going to make the average salary of 4000RMB look even smaller.  |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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| therock wrote: |
| SnoopBot wrote: |
I wonder if Beijing salaries will increase to match inflation figures? |
Well if this is true then it's going to make the average salary of 4000RMB look even smaller. |
I am posting this because often data like this is blocked:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/13/business/AS-FIN-ECO-China-Inflation.php
Story for those that cannot get access
BEIJING: China's inflation rate accelerated to 5.6 percent in July � the highest monthly rate in a decade � driven by a 15.4 percent surge in politically sensitive food prices over the year-earlier period, according to data released Monday.
Prices of pork and other meat surged 45.2 percent and that of eggs 30.6 percent, the National Bureau of Statistics reported.
Chinese leaders are worried that a boom that saw the economy grow 11.9 percent in the latest quarter might ignite inflation. They have tried to cool the boom by raising interest rates three times in the past six months, and economists expect one to two more increases this year.
July's inflation was the highest monthly rate since February 1997, and an increase over June's 4.4 percent rate. The next-highest monthly rate was 5.3 percent in August 2004.
A statistics bureau spokesman tried to quell fears of a pickup in overall inflation, stressing that July's sharpest increases were limited to food. Prices of clothing and other non-food goods rose just 0.9 percent in July from a year ago, according to the bureau.
"As industrial product prices and service prices remain relatively stable, the prices should not rise in an all-around and sharp way," said spokesman Li Xiaochao, quoted by the official Xinhua News Agency.
The bureau's chief economist, Yao Jingyuan, said inflation might continue to rise over the next two months due to food-price hikes, Xinhua reported. It said Yao predicted the inflation rate would fall in the final quarter of the year.
Consumer prices in the first seven months of the year rose 3.5 percent compared with the same period of 2006, the statistics bureau said on its Web site.
Chinese leaders are trying urgently to curb the sharp rise in food prices, which hit the country's poor majority especially hard.
The sharp rise in prices for pork, China's staple meat, has been blamed on farmers' reluctance to raise pigs due to high feed costs and an outbreak of blue-ear disease, which prompted authorities to destroy thousands of animals.
Beijing has promised free vaccination for the disease and other aid to farmers to raise pork output. Authorities have ordered investigations into whether farmers or food companies are colluding to push up prices.
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National Bureau of Statistics (in Chinese): http://www.stats.gov.cn
This means at a 5000RMB a month salary at 15% inflation 5000 @2006-7
= 5750 rmb 2007-8
So anything above this is considered a pay raise, the rest is just keeping up with inflation. Everyone must realize this, I am sure the student fee's are going up along with Chinese adm staff salaries.
Don't let them tell you how lucky you are to get the salary you're offered (Which they will do) |
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beautification
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Negotiating for a Second Year |
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Thanks for the info everyone. I wasn't planning to start contract negotiating yet and I've dodged their questions each time.
The reason their starting to ask now is I think they are worried. They weren't able to get an English teacher for the highschool for Sept. and out of the 40 or so Chinese teachers who work here 5 of them have left.
I was thinking 8000 RMB and some better extras, but honestly I don't really care and am fine with leaving. |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
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Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:41 am Post subject: |
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arioch36
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:18 am Post subject: |
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You'll just have to eat chicken instead of pork (the other white meat), and drink the local 2 yuan beer (which tastes better anyways, except for a guangzhou ??? brew I liked called ?Red Baron?
If in Beijing, fish and Yanping works well. And noodles and rice haven't gone up much.
What more should a laowai want for?
30 years ago, as I understood, only the few rich in China ever ate pork anyways.
The more things change, the more they stay the same |
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william wallace
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| Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Naturally, the big thing is where you are. If it was Beijing/Shanghai you were talking about....and did an excellent and professional job-12,000RMB |
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SnoopBot
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| william wallace wrote: |
| Naturally, the big thing is where you are. If it was Beijing/Shanghai you were talking about....and did an excellent and professional job-12,000RMB |
I wish there was more positions around that paid at these rates. Most universities are too cheap to pay above 6000.
They keep the salaries low so others do not demand a pay raise too.
My location on the Cheng Fu lu strip, Haidian district Beijing has the highest concentration of universities in China.
Some are back to the 3000 RMB a month salary levels. Years ago this was ok because hours were around 10-12 a week with a lower cost of living.
Now they expect hours to be around 20 at the same pay rate along with shared housing.
They still find enough of the no degree- no experience - no problem types and missionaries getting paid a church stipend to fill these positions.
(Isn't this against regulations for the universities?)
This is why they can get away with it. |
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