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Latteegirl1974



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:53 pm    Post subject: Non British or American schools for kids Reply with quote

Does anyone know if the non western schools in KSA are decent? I thought about sending my daughter because I want her to learn Arabic and Islam. How do I find a good school? Do they brainwash the kids with Wahabism, or beat them? Are these schools expensive? Any information will be helpful. I am looking to go to Riyadh or Khobar. Thanks -LG Confused

P.S. What are the apartments like in the DQ of Riyadh? We are a family of 4, will they put us in a Villa or high rise? How old are te apartments?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I want her to learn Arabic and Islam.


What do you mean 'learn Islam"? Do you simply want her to learn about the religion, or are you Muslims and you want her educated in an Islamic school? If you are not Muslim, you probably won't be allowed to send your child to a Muslim school.

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What are the apartments like in the DQ of Riyadh?


There are a wide variety of apartments in the DQ. None of them are older than the mid-80s, which is when the DQ was built.

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will they put us in a Villa or high rise?


Other than to say that I've never heard of any ESL teacher being housed in a villa in Riyadh, your question is impossible for anyone to answer because you don't even tell us who your future employers are.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Cleo ,I am a bit puzzled. Who are you coming to work for ?

If you are in Khobar have a look at ISG Dammam

http://www.isgdh.org/
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007



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Non British or American schools for kids Reply with quote

Latteegirl1974 wrote:
Does anyone know if the non western schools in KSA are decent? I thought about sending my daughter because I want her to learn Arabic and Islam. How do I find a good school?

I guess you are a Muslim, and you want to send your daughter to an Islamic school.
In general, the private school are much better than state school.
If you want your daughter to learn Arabic and Islamic teaching, then send her to 'Tahfidh' school, where there is extra islamic teaching (Quran, tafseer & Hadith) compared to state school. Also, English is taught in these private schools.

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Do they brainwash the kids with Wahabism

Directly no, indirectly Yes.

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..or beat them?

Beat them? As far as I know NO.

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Are these schools expensive?

Compared to Western schools are not expensive.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Generally speaking state schools are not for foreigners. Private it will be.
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Latteegirl1974



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an offer fom Interlink/Alyamamah college. I am not sure if I will take it because I Feel uncertain due to the previous posts.
Yes we are Muslim, And Interlink says they have an educational allowance of 8000 SR for grades 1-12 but not prek and K. My children just finished a year at an American Muslim school here in the US. They liked it. I just don't have the money yet to buy her an education. I feel Crying or Very sad , because I'm a teacher and Education is everything!

Sorry for the lack of Info. I just need to be cautious before I make final decisions.

Thanks everybody
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Latteegirl1974



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot, I may accept a job offer for Aramco teaching kids. So If you have any Info on that company, please let me know. Smile
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Yamamah housing consists of two-bedroom apartments on the DQ. No villas.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the choice, go for Aramco.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When you meet your students in Saudi, you will immediately realize that you would never put your kids in their educational system! Razz

But if you insist:

Public schools are out, as they are only for Saudis, and they produce substandard humans, in terms of manners, behaviour, knowledge, intelligence, desire for learning, cleanliness, appreciation of hard work, etc.

Private Saudi schools are pretty expensive usually. Anyway, it is nearly 100% Saudi in those, and so, your daughter would be a mismatch there. How old is she? All the subjects are taught in Arabic, even in Saudi private schools, by law. Some of them used to teach Math and the sciences in English, but the concerned ministry forced them to change to Arabic. They still try to teach those subjects in a mix of English and Arabic, but it is basically in Arabic.

Aside from the Western run British and American schools in the country, there are hundreds of "international schools". These are Arab and/or Asian managed, with a mix of Arab and Asian kids. Some are Philipino curriculum, some Indian curriculum, but most are either British or American curriculum. All schools in the country are required to have Arabic, Islamic Studies, and Saudi Arabialogy. Non-Arabs are exempt from Arabic, non-Muslims from Islamic Studies, and everybody has to take the last one.

This last category is where a lot of middle class expats prefer to send their kids. Being Arab/Asian managed, and having Arab/Asian teachers, they are about 1/3 the cost of Western-managed British/American schools. Of course, they have the same curricula as their Western-managed counterparts.

The ball is in your court!
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007



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trapezius wrote:
Public schools are out, as they are only for Saudis, .


The above statement is not accurate.
Public schools in KSA are for Saudis and non-saudis, I know a lot of Egyptians, Syrians, Tunisians, etc, send their kids to public schools free of charge, and even some of them get allowances from the saudi government.

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...and they produce substandard humans, in terms of manners, behaviour, knowledge, intelligence, desire for learning, cleanliness, appreciation of hard work, etc

By analogy, the same applies for private schools.
A devil is a devil, whether he is in a public or private school.
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Latteegirl1974



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

007 how can a famiy get an allowance from a public school?...Are you sure, this dosen't sound correct.
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trapezius



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know a lot of Egyptians, Syrians, Tunisians, etc, send their kids to public schools free of charge, and even some of them get allowances from the saudi government.


Still doesn't change what I said. Saudi public schools are officially for Saudis.

You know other Arabs who have sent kids to public schools? I know Indo-Pakistanis who have studied in Saudi schools! But those are rare cases, and can be attributed to wasta, poverty, government kindness, etc. You can't just walk up to a Saudi school and enroll your kid there if you are not Saudi.

If I was Saudi and saw the inside of public schools, it would put me off from having kids!

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By analogy, the same applies for private schools.
A devil is a devil, whether he is in a public or private school.


In some respects they come out better, esp knowledge, and cleanliness. In other respects, just the same.

And I forgot one other aspect in my list of substandard humanness: ethics and honesty. Those are foreign concepts to 75% of Saudi students (and adults as well, I guess).
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

8,000 Saudi Riyals education allowance ? The leading school in Dhahran charges 47,000 a year. Even a 'cheap one' will be 12,000 a year.

Do you think they are giving you a message ?
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2007 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From today's 'Arab News'

www.taqwaschool.org

n Riyadh.

In Jeddah :-
www.alwahaschool.com


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