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Zero
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 1402
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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eslstudies wrote: |
You won't fund retirement doing what you are now. |
Is that true? In theory if a person were making enough money couldn't one put, say, 5,000 yuan a month into their own diversified portfolio and come out all right given enough years?
Incidentally, curious as to how old you are, esltudies? |
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eslstudies

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Zero wrote: |
eslstudies wrote: |
You won't fund retirement doing what you are now. |
Is that true? In theory if a person were making enough money couldn't one put, say, 5,000 yuan a month into their own diversified portfolio and come out all right given enough years?
Incidentally, curious as to how old you are, esltudies? |
Given that many China FT's would struggle to earn 5000 a month, let alone save it, that's a purely academic point. Even if they could, it would only fund a third world retirement. I've saved into a fund for 30 years, with employer contributions as well, something that China will never catch on to.
And feel free to remain curious. I worked with FTs several years older than me who had nothing at home: no house or savings, and were living from month to month in China. Personally, I find that frightening, especially given they were rapidly approaching their EFL "use by" dates, which for most would be mid-sixties. |
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mandu
Joined: 29 Jul 2004 Posts: 794 Location: china
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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Iam teaching kindergarten children
Iam at the same kindergarten (been at the kindy for almost 3 years) |
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: Um |
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Ah, but Eslstudies things can go wrong even for you!
"My father was a lawyer," says Walter Levy, an internationally known German-born oil consultant in New York, "and he had taken out an insurance policy in 1903, and every month he had made the payments faithfully. It was a 20-year policy, and when it came due, he cashed it in and bought a single loaf of bread." |
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eslstudies

Joined: 17 Dec 2006 Posts: 1061 Location: East of Aden
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:13 am Post subject: Re: Um |
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Anda wrote: |
Ah, but Eslstudies things can go wrong even for you!
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Not in this case Anda. An indexed government pension at 60% of my retirement salary, continuing to my wife should she outlive me, which is highly likely. |
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:04 am Post subject: Um |
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Yep. you can trust the government!
http://www.anklebitingpundits.com/content/index.php?p=1997
Pension - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaIn almost all developed countries this means that government and public sector pensions could collapse their economies unless pension systems are reformed ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pension - 70k - |
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vikuk

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Regardless of where your pension scheme is situated - what can be said for sure - is that in the normal, non-international school, China EFL job - that anything to do social security (retirement, unemployment etc - maybe you'll get a small amount of medical coverage) - is very much the FT's business (and what a difficult business this can be on an average "low-rate" China FT salary). This is one of the reasons why being a China FT has not really caught on as a popular career with qualified teachers!!!!
But then again - look on the bright side - you can always read "feel-good" threads like this. Nothing like start of term optimism as we look-forward to another school year of being the white cash-cow - and indeed for those who hold no real qualification for this job - playing at being a real-life teacher. I wonder how many will last to next summer  |
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Jamchuan

Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 171 Location: Kingston, Atlanta, Chengdu
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Posted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 6:20 am Post subject: |
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First of all, I am still in the process of returing to China after a long vacation(almost 2 years!). Gave notice to my nice position at a very very nice world relief organization and now my 'international' school is telling me to be patient as they and some foreign bureau ready my documents.........work permit and invitation on the way.....
And the best part.....my job title is no longer ESL teacher. I am moving up?! Who knew?! Its 20 hours a week and I work with mostly with foreign kids. I hear they are brats but guess what? The money is decent and I get to move back to move Chinese hometown.  |
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Vo Rogue
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 31
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: |
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I've changed cities and changed from private language school to university. Apparently I'll be teaching writing to students whose English level is "low". |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:13 am Post subject: |
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Vo Rogue wrote: |
Apparently I'll be teaching writing to students whose English level is "low". |
May God have mercy on you. |
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Songbird
Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 630 Location: State of Chaos, Panic & Disorder...
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Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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Ditto what TW said.....I REALLY hope you only teach 2 writing classes a week, NO MORE. I've been lumped with writing all last year, and lucky me got it again. I requested no writing, but got 2 classes (instead of 4 for a change) and had the first lessons today- they don't seem as bad as last year's mob, thank heavens.
What do you plan to do? Will you have them all year or just the semester? |
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Sonnibarger
Joined: 15 May 2007 Posts: 320 Location: Wuhan
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:41 am Post subject: |
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teaching kindergarden oh god what was i thinking? oh ya good money because no one wants to do it. I found out its for good reasons. Lucky i have 3 cute ta's in my class or this would look alot worse. oh well only 5 month contract so hopfuly i can save up some cash and take a nice trip maybe find a gig with adult students next round. gotta love the 3 hour nap each day tho, thats how i got time to write this. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: |
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I have adopted the Chinese-Western compromise when teaching many writing classes, famously invented by me of course. If I have four classes of the same writing class, I only grade two classes on one work, then the other two classes on the next work, and give back both works together so they don't know which they will get graded on. Imust make the assumption that they mistakes commonly made by one class are the same that the other class makes.
Have I sacrificed my principles or wisely adapted to a new environment to the mutual benefit of all? |
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Vo Rogue
Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 31
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Songbird wrote: |
Ditto what TW said.....I REALLY hope you only teach 2 writing classes a week, NO MORE. I've been lumped with writing all last year, and lucky me got it again. I requested no writing, but got 2 classes (instead of 4 for a change) and had the first lessons today- they don't seem as bad as last year's mob, thank heavens.
What do you plan to do? Will you have them all year or just the semester? |
Are writing classes THAT bad - I didn't realise. What are the nightmare parts - marking assignments, getting students motivated?
I'm teaching for one semester only, but have got 4 classes. There's a textbook, but I've got several other activities and exercises that I plan to use throughout the term.
Any advice warmly welcomed! |
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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Vo Rogue wrote: |
Are writing classes THAT bad - I didn't realise. |
Oh yes, they are THAT bad and even worse.
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What are the nightmare parts - marking assignments, getting students motivated? |
Marking assignments is one thing, if they are worth marking. As arioch36 says, rotate your marking helps to reduce workload. Alternately, you can also pick out a selected group of papers to mark in every class.
The biggest problem is (1) students not listening and remembering what you tell them and (2) they have no creativity. You will find yourself reading paper after paper all looking similar, as many students copy from each other. Chinese students also don't understand the concept of thinking, which explains why you will have paper after paper with introductions that start with variations of "with the development of moden society".
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