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newtefler



Joined: 23 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:59 pm    Post subject: Ramazan Reply with quote

starts tomorrow... but when?? Sunrise tomorrow.. sunset tomorrow.. or midnight tonight?? Thinking of using the time as a marker to give up smoking... if my students are going to be ratty I might as well join em!!
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newtefler



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Ramazan Reply with quote

darn :0( was hoping it would be tomorrow night... chainsmoking till dawn for me then
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By Islamic reckoning the new day starts at sunset. This thing about the day starting at midnight is a modern and Western innovation. Certainly in Ancient Rome the day began with the setting of the sun. And that was also the way of measuring time. "One hour after sunset" etc.
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a criminal offence here ... and where Mr Scot47 is ...
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newtefler



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Ramazan Reply with quote

ooo goody I'm much preferring the sunset option (dragging merrily on a Marlboro as typing) looks like I can squeeze in a lunchtime pint and a few more bifters today... and what a beautiful day it is for an outdoor pint!
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Laura777



Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I am fasting here it is:

Today Thursday 13th eat before 5:06am and they fast all day and iftar tonight at 19:30. After that its eating and such until the next morning at about 5:07 or so and so on until the end of Ramazan.

I have heard that it starts theoretically last night after Maghrib but no fasting of course just prayer.

Its a nice time of year.
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hobo



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laura777 wrote:


Its a nice time of year.


The pubs aren't as crowded.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The pubs aren't as crowded.
Coincidence. people are mourning the death of Baba.
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newtefler



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:01 am    Post subject: Ramazan Reply with quote

Goddammit.... i've failed already then... just like trying to give up at New Year

Pubs have been alarmingly quiet in recent weeks anyway - there appears to have been a mass expat exodus :0(
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mindweave



Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Ramadan Mubarak Reply with quote

You people are really disrespectful of what Muslims consider to be a holy month of self-discipline. Perhaps you ought to take a cue and learn a little self-control and respect from your colleagues and people in your host culture. I think your attitude is disgusting.

I am an American and have been teaching for decades, although only recently internationally (in Asia). But, for those who appreciate the beauty of Islam, especially in such an open-minded and flexible interpretation of it such as that which exists in Turkey, I say Ramadan Mubarak! Enjoy your prayer time, iftar feasts breaking fasts and enjoy this time of comraderie with other Muslims all over the world.

I apologize for the insensitivity of the people who have posted such crap in this thread of this forum.
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Sheikh Inal Ovar



Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindweave wrote:
You people are really disrespectful of what Muslims consider to be a holy month of self-discipline. Perhaps you ought to take a cue and learn a little self-control and respect from your colleagues and people in your host culture. I think your attitude is disgusting.

I am an American and have been teaching for decades, although only recently internationally (in Asia). But, for those who appreciate the beauty of Islam, especially in such an open-minded and flexible interpretation of it such as that which exists in Turkey, I say Ramadan Mubarak! Enjoy your prayer time, iftar feasts breaking fasts and enjoy this time of comraderie with other Muslims all over the world.

I apologize for the insensitivity of the people who have posted such crap in this thread of this forum.



Firstly, if you knew anthing at all about Istanbul, where many of the above posters reside, you'd know that only around half of the city is fasting ... so around half (and that's probably being generous) of our hosts are fasting ...

And secondly, I see absolutely nothing wrong with the comments made by Laura 777 - a fasting Muslim herself, Entrailicus, Scot47 .. and - for once - myself ... so when you wave your fists in the air, ranting and raving at anyone in earshot, you might want to reflect on how imbecilic you look ...

The comments by the other posters are hardly serious, and I'm sure the people who said them would equally say them in joking with their Turkish friends .. or their Turkish wife or husband ...

You sound like one of those fanatics our Turkish 'hosts' would find embarrassing and be endlessly apologising for ... perhaps it is you who should be taking a leaf out of their book ...
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justme



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But, for those who appreciate the beauty of Islam, especially in such an open-minded and flexible interpretation of it such as that which exists in Turkey, I say Ramadan Mubarak!


You can say that if you want, but in Turkey they say Ramazan M�barek olsun.

I think we are enjoying the open-minded flexibility of Ramazan in Turkey, if anything because the bars are less crowded.

What is it with the total lack of sense of humor some people have about all things related to Islam?
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Golightly



Joined: 08 Feb 2005
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Location: in the bar, next to the raki

PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't bother dignifying such a pompous, self-regarding and arrogant posting with a reply. Nor will my Turkish muslim wife, who I must say saw the post, and said, 'he sounds like a bit of a w****r, doesn't he?'
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somnambulist



Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:20 pm    Post subject: IFTAR BLOODY IFTAR Reply with quote

The thing about Iftar, "Oru�" and so forth, as I'm sure any muslim woman out there will surely attest, is that it really screws up your carefully planned diet and slimming regime.
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burdik



Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I don't understand about Ramazan is 'sahur'. That is when people wake up early in the morning eat and then go to bed again so they won't feel hungry (or very hungry) the next day. I mean if you don't feel hungry the next day, what is the point of fasting?
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