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Yuki



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Ramifications of NOVA situation Reply with quote

I am leaving for Japan at the end of November to teach for Amity (the children-focused division of AEON).

I was wondering if anyone had any insight into whether the situation with NOVA was adversely affecting any of the other eikaiwa chains.

The only reason I ask is that I have been checking the recently posted Amity ads and they are now requesting $25 for background checks from new applicants. I did not have to pay this fee, but especially with NOVAs demise it does kind of make me paranoid that the company might be hard up for money. On the other hand, this may be a standard practice that I was simply unaware of.

Any comments or input would be appreciated! Smile
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Mahik



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was kinda wondering that myself since I'm going to be working for ECC. I think it may only be a case with NOVA because of their scandals and their business model. To my knowledge, most of the big Eikawas request money to pay to conduct your background check.
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's still a demand for eikaiwa lessons. Due to NOVA's problems, there may be a slight decline in the number of new first-time students available for the other Big-4 companies to pick up, but there will also be some students left out in the cold by NOVA who want to continue their eikaiwa studies and will seek out lessons at one of the other Big-4 schools.

Companies that haven't overexpanded and opened up too many schools in the last few years should be fine.
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Zzonkmiles



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd worry that there'd be a glut of ex-NOVA teachers saturating the market.

I'd also worry that schools become more selective with the teachers they hire--all for the same salary.

All those NOVA teachers who just BSed and joked around and never bothered to learn Japanese or establish connections or learn some other useful skill are about to be in for a rude awakening.
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cornishmuppet



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zzonkmiles wrote:
All those NOVA teachers who just BSed and joked around and never bothered to learn Japanese or establish connections or learn some other useful skill are about to be in for a rude awakening.


Unfortunately that sums up several (but not all) of the long term NOVA teachers I know. As they drifted into two, three, four year terms, instead of making any effort to move on from entry eikawa into other jobs like myself and some other people I know did, they were happy to take the money for their 'easy job' and concentrate on getting drunk as often as possible. The NOVA teachers I know have the lowest Japanese skills of any foreigners I know here, and the ones that did learn have moved on into other jobs, or are making the effort to.

I think if NOVA were to fall apart, a large number of teachers would just go home, while a few might get other jobs and maybe even a few resourceful ones would grab a load of students and set up something of their own.

I'm still thinking it will all blow over though. Either NOVA will recover or some other company will buy them out.
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drifter13



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cornishmuppet wrote:
Zzonkmiles wrote:
All those NOVA teachers who just BSed and joked around and never bothered to learn Japanese or establish connections or learn some other useful skill are about to be in for a rude awakening.


Unfortunately that sums up several (but not all) of the long term NOVA teachers I know. As they drifted into two, three, four year terms, instead of making any effort to move on from entry eikawa into other jobs like myself and some other people I know did, they were happy to take the money for their 'easy job' and concentrate on getting drunk as often as possible. The NOVA teachers I know have the lowest Japanese skills of any foreigners I know here, and the ones that did learn have moved on into other jobs, or are making the effort to.

I think if NOVA were to fall apart, a large number of teachers would just go home, while a few might get other jobs and maybe even a few resourceful ones would grab a load of students and set up something of their own.

I'm still thinking it will all blow over though. Either NOVA will recover or some other company will buy them out.


Even with a buyout, the first move of any sensible company out there is to start cutting branches, and I mean a lot of em. It's an ugly situation no matter what happens I think, and a lot of people, deserving or otherwise, are gonna be left holding the bag.
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TokyoLiz



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 3:21 am    Post subject: Breaking news? Reply with quote

I've been checking the Japanesse and English media in Japan, but as yet, nobody's picked up the story.

I just had a peek at http://www.generalunion.org/ to see if there were any news updates, but the last report listed there is about the supreme court ruling that came down in August.

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It's an ugly situation no matter what happens I think, and a lot of people, deserving or otherwise, are gonna be left holding the bag.


A terrible situation, considering the number of foreign and young people who are potentially left without a job in a strange land.

Good luck to Novaites who are preparing Plan B.
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stillnosheep



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nova's demise shouldn't affect Aeon, who are financially sound. Novertheless like other Eikaiwa they have been feeling squeezed by the downturn in profitability associated with the saturated EFL market in Japan and have been looking for ways to claw back payments from teachers without cutting salaries, viz the increase in maximum rents from Yen 39000 to Yen 50000.

This 'pay for your background check' nonsense was started by Nova. Now it looks like Aeon have picked up on it. If a (prospective) employer wishes to run a background (or any other) check on a (prospective) employee then the employer should pay for it.

Tell them to stuff their fee.
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Yuki



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It looks like I got in under the wire, not having to pay for the background check and my rent is fixed at 42,000 yen for the duration of my contract at least.

I do feel very sorry for anyone working for NOVA and needing to find a job in this market. It's a situation I never want to be in myself if I can avoid it. Hopefully they can all move on to a position that is beneficial to whatever their goals happen to be.
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nanoripe



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello all.

LTRFTW, im keen to teach in Japan via the big schools, but with this situation with nova going on, should I delay my applications or press ahead with it? I was hoping to go away in March/April, and im from the UK.
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. Whole industry's goin' to hell. Forget Japan. Try Korea.

Good luck
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flyer



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nope. Whole industry's goin' to hell


yeh sure, what makes you say that? there are 130million people here and 1 company has problems!

????

but feel free to go


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Apsara



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually closer to 120,000,000 but I agree otherwise- plenty of ALT jobs still around. Friends of mine who are ALTs have really good deals as far as holidays etc go and aren't affected by Nova's imminent collapse in the least.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SR posted
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Nope. Whole industry's goin' to hell. Forget Japan. Try Korea.

Good luck


Funny that someone who came to Japan recently and is working in Japan would say that. Rolling Eyes

It's somewhat true. Certainly NOVA going down will cause some flutter of applications, though it may be a slow collapse as branches continue to close and teachers wise up and make moves to exit the company Cool . Now some of those exiters will take other employment here, some will go to Korea (or somewhere else), and others will return to their native lands and just dream about EFL. Cool
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: nova = "no go"? Reply with quote

southofreality wrote:
Nope. Whole industry's goin' to hell. Forget Japan. Try Korea.

Good luck


I think southofreality was just being sarcastic.

Regards,
fat_c
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