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englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

please do so...all eslers should know what goes on in this largest franchised educational money laundrying operation in the world

in china, the marketing strategy has been focused on retired government officials for purchasing franchising rights Wink

peace to the ones that have worked hard to buy an EF franchise
and
cheers and beers to all eslers that choose another option than EF Very Happy

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

No representative of EF's Thai Head Office responded to the supboena. A message was sent stating that the responsible person(s) were not in the country.

Another supboena will be sent for another date in October.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

looks like nobody's responsible there ... looks like the validity of the whole franchise in this country is on the line ... looks like someone's lookin' for "grease" to smooth things there

peace to the largest educational institution greasin' their way up
and
cheers and beers to all of their marketin' plans around the world Laughing

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

October 16th

EF sent a Thai female to court to answer the subpoena. She announced she is responsible for accounts and documents for EF Thailand.

She confirmed to the court that there has only ever been one contract (terminated 12 months ago) between EF and their Chiang Mai franchisee.

The Chiang Mai franchisee submitted to the court two other contracts:

1) Himself and EF

2) A company he said he owned and EF. This company hadn't been set up at the time it was supposed to be effective and is the centre of the only fraud charge against him so far. There will be more.

EF stated clearly both contracts never existed.

EF's previous country manager (see Post from Sept 8th) said they did.

It appears the current EF management is more honest than their previous country manager.

EF's franchisee again said to the court he would like to withdraw the case as a gift to the King.

The objective is to use this case, and the opportunity it gives to interview witnesses and view documents, to provide the ammunition needed to nail this *beep*.

The case now returns to CM and the investigation should be concluded by late November

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

2 whole weeks and the case still has not finished.

Tuesday to Friday of week 1 EF�s franchisee gave his testimony. He had no witnesses and no documents to support his story. God it was boring. He even started crying a few times.

Tuesday to Friday of week 2 the former DOS gave his testimony. He had 3 witnesses (all Thai) plus himself. A long list of documents was presented to support his case. Time ran out before he could be cross examined by the plaintiff�s solicitor. Therefore the case has been postponed to March.

A few funny occurrences:

The judge still wishes the case to be compromised and told the defendant (former EF DOS) that he should consider that the reason he is in court is because of past karma from this or a previous life. Interesting comment from a judge!

EF�s representative�s girlfriend sat through the court proceedings busily writing in a notebook the same word over and over again. Later I was told this was a black magic spell against me.

EF�s representative also told the court that the former EF DOS was writing a diary of his actions on the internet. He made a complaint to the court, but the judge said irrelevant to this case and he would need to make a separate complaint. So, he reads this!

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

i find your recounts amazing...i mean we just come to foreign countries to teach, or shall i say help those that're unable to learn the language with their own teachers...and, we often get into such issues we'd never dreamed off..again, i've also been an EF DOS before (in china as i pointed out before), although had not got into the courtroom with'em...it looks like this DOS got a bit of a sign from the judge...it's another country and they treat foreigners differently, don't they?

cheers and beers to all hard working english teachers around the world that've been trying to make a difference Very Happy

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

Update � March 4th, 2008

The defendant (former EF DOS)�s adjourned court date for his cross examination by the plaintiff (former EF Franchisee)�s lawyer.

Many silly questions asked with the main focus trying to embarrass (rather than examine relevant evidence) the former EF DOS. 3 hours of questions, translation and recording of testimony by the judge.

There was an official looking visitor to the court who took notes of the proceedings. Before the court began he had a long conversation with the plaintiff. He took a lot of interest in a particular line of questioning: the dates between the former EF DOS leaving EF and starting a new job. The former EF DOS believes the visitor is a ministry of immigration or labour official as the many questions were asked in a manner to get the former EF DOS to admit he worked in his new position, after leaving EF, before obtaining a work permit for his new job. Fortunately, the former EF DOS is not stupid and stated the date in his work permit as his new-job start date. It�s believed this was an attempt to get the former EF DOS to admit in court working illegally. It�s a dirty world.

The investigation has now finished. The verdict will be announced in court on May 29th. I�ll update again.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

in fact dirty world....and, the EF Head Office there serves who now Confused

this organization can provide such false expectations for their employees...everyone should know that the EF franchisees are the EF employers and the EF franchisor's just to insure that Laughing

cheers and beers to the competency of the EF franchisors Laughing

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

Update

Unfortunately the court didn't announce a decision on May 29th. There has been another postponement until July 24th.

There will be another update after this date.

whistleblower · Joined: 09 May 2006 Posts: 20

At 1:30pm July 24th, 2008 the court announced its verdict.

The ex-Director of Studies of English First Chiang Mai WON!

As the defendant in the case this only means that the defamation case brought against him by the ex-representative of EF has now been dismissed after investigation. IE the original E-mail�s contents are true. It will be around 2 weeks before the judge�s transcript of the verdict is available for reading. Then a detailed examination of this verdict will take place to discover whether the judge�s verdict can be used to make a criminal or civil complaint against EF's ex-representative in Chiang Mai and/or the current EF Thailand company/management.

The plaintiff (EF�s representative) has the right to appeal the verdict.

It�s taken over 3 years to get this weight lifted. The anger, frustration, fear, indignation and financial cost have been considerable but well worth the satisfaction of winning.

I will update in a few weeks.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

i'd say WOW, but'm really wonderin'why FTs in thailand don't come forward with their feelings about this...are they scared? are there any FTs in thai EFs? or, are there any EFs left there? Confused

cheers and beers to this money spinnin'company that preys on rich investors (neve mind where the money comes from)

Balzac · Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 266

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 11:44 am Post subject:

You can ask the name but it can't be posted here per board policy.