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This Guy Lasted Two Days in Shanghai...
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vikuk



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Arioch there is a possibility that capricious could be one of Katya's Indians.

Why not phone up the Dell help line in Bombay and find out if they've heard of him Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

But as a betting man - after viewing the shapes and variety of the average FT in China - I'd put my money on white - they seem more prepared to jump from job to job - the other shades having far more problem just to secure position number one!!!!!
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ha Ha, is it toll free

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But as a betting man - after viewing the shapes and variety of the average FT in China - I'd put my money on white - they seem more prepared to jump from job to job - the other shades having far more problem just to secure position number one!!!!!


Yeh, good point, that's true
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u24tc



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That guy is an idiot.
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SnoopBot



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Ajarn post was a troll post. It was designed to start some type of debate about teaching in China in a negative sense.

The salary claimed and the 4 bedroom apartment for (7000 Baht-1700 RMB ) are too good to be real.

A job that pays 65,000 Baht a month = 1969 USD a month (33 Baht to 1 USD).

I don't see many job positions that pay almost 2000 USD a month for 20 hours a week with a 4 bedroom apartment that cost 212 USD a month.

These are dream jobs...
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Henry_Cowell



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnoopBot wrote:
I think the Ajarn post was a troll post. It was designed to start some type of debate about teaching in China in a negative sense.

Quite true. The OP eventually never returned to the thread to defend himself.
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shuize



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SnoopBot wrote:
I think the Ajarn post was a troll post. It was designed to start some type of debate about teaching in China in a negative sense.

The salary claimed and the 4 bedroom apartment for (7000 Baht-1700 RMB ) are too good to be real.

A job that pays 65,000 Baht a month = 1969 USD a month (33 Baht to 1 USD).

I don't see many job positions that pay almost 2000 USD a month for 20 hours a week with a 4 bedroom apartment that cost 212 USD a month.

These are dream jobs...


Yes, my thoughts as well, as noted above:

shuize wrote:
I don't live in China, but this is borderline BS to me. He claims he was getting the equivalent of 65,000 Baht (15,300 RMB) plus housing, TV and internet in Shanghai for 20 hours a week? Recruited from outside China?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

funny. the only time you see 100% agreement on a thread here is when one guy says the OP was a troll, he never came back to defend himself. and voila... all subsequent posts suddenly reach the same conclusion.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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funny. the only time you see 100% agreement on a thread here is when one guy says the OP was a troll, he never came back to defend himself. and voila... all subsequent posts suddenly reach the same conclusion.


Well I suggested in an earlier post that I wouldn't be surprised if it was a troll. Walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

Beside one person slightly defending him on the basis that some Chinese schools also do bad things, the board was pretty much 100% against him. But yeah, the offer seems a little too good to be true, and if it is true, leaving after 2 days, it is about the most pathetic thing I've heard of, almost to pathetic to be true
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adamsmith



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

but when we call the OP a troll based on the fact that he has never answered us we would be mistaken. My reasoning is that the OP was not posted on Daves but on Ajarn, so perhaps he doe not visit our site to answer our queries. Perhaps if you wish to call him a troll you should go make some posts on Ajarn to get the information from him as Kev (I think) did.
But I do tend to agree, there is something fishy (trolly??) about this job offer, it sure does sound to good to be true, and if it was true someone in country would have snapped it up much quicker.
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arioch36



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is sick is how many people at Ajarn said he did right.
Huh?

Maybe it is all a publicity stunt for Ajarn, and Laben18 a co-conspirator?
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johnchina



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:18 am    Post subject: none Reply with quote

Maybe I'm reading the situation differently to most of you but ...

1. 15,000 for 20 hours of teaching in Shanghai is well within the realms of possibility. That works out to a tad under 200 an hour. At a language mill focusing on kids from wealthy families, that's easy. To be honest, I'm surprised that most of you seem to find that salary unbelievable.

2. The flat is a bit harder to believe, but it could be that the owner of the school helped out. Ever heard of 'guanxi'? Again, not impossible. Perhaps the school was planning on moving someone in there with him at a later date?

3. Although it's quite clear that capricious is a bit of a jerk, particularly (IMHO) by not giving Shanghai and the school 3-4 weeks trial, at least he admitted to the school that he had made a mistake and wanted to leave. He didn't do a 'midnight runner'.

4. A (NB: "A" not "The"!) negative reaction from the Chinese side is perfectly understandable. They've obviously put time and money into bringing the guy over. However, assuming capricious is telling the truth, physically keeping him away from his luggage and jumping in the taxi with him is not reasonable behaviour. It must have been a bit scary, especially since he doesn't speak Chinese at all. The fact that a Chinese taxi driver backed him up by chucking the Chinese guys out on the expressway tends to suppport capricious.

5. If you read the other messages, most of them are not offensive. I see two that are. Most seem fairly neutral. Some do actually criticise capricious for not giving the school a fair chance (as I do).
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shuize



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:48 am    Post subject: Re: none Reply with quote

johnchina wrote:
Maybe I'm reading the situation differently to most of you but ...

1. 15,000 for 20 hours of teaching in Shanghai is well within the realms of possibility. That works out to a tad under 200 an hour. At a language mill focusing on kids from wealthy families, that's easy. To be honest, I'm surprised that most of you seem to find that salary unbelievable ...

It's not the salary itself that I find suspicious. It's the whole package (good salary, low hours, good housing, internet, TV, etc.) offered to someone outside China with no language ability to negotiate such a deal.

But, then again, I'm not in China to know how things really work there either.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is being monitored by the Mod Team.

Several postings have been deleted for being off-topic or otherwise inappropriate.

If and when this thread is unlocked, it would be a very good idea for everyone to get back on topic.
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