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Henry_Cowell
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| Furthermore, not all takeovers result in massive employee terminations or other negative ramifications (as you imply). In many cases, takeovers (hostile, or otherwise) actually improve workplace conditions, and improve job satisfaction and employment conditions. |
"Worldly" is quite correct. Stereotyped ideas such as those spouted by "shuize" are indeed outdated and not at all universal.
My company is in the midst of a huge two-year acquisition of as many companies as it can get its hot little hands on. These acquisitions have had very few of the horrendous consequences most people think about when the word takeover is mentioned. In fact, employees at the acquired companies seem very pleased that their talents and skills are respected and valued. Their futures are also now secure for the first time in years.
If one thinks one's job is "thankless," one should look elsewhere immediately. |
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shuize
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Worldly wrote: |
| Furthermore, not all takeovers result in massive employee terminations or other negative ramifications (as you imply). In many cases, takeovers (hostile, or otherwise) actually improve workplace conditions, and improve job satisfaction and employment conditions. |
"Worldly" is quite correct. Stereotyped ideas such as those spouted by "shuize" are indeed outdated and not at all universal.
My company is in the midst of a huge two-year acquisition of as many companies as it can get its hot little hands on. These acquisitions have had very few of the horrendous consequences most people think about when the word takeover is mentioned. In fact, employees at the acquired companies seem very pleased that their talents and skills are respected and valued. Their futures are also now secure for the first time in years. |
Ah, yes. But are they "validated?" |
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Henry_Cowell
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| This is California. Of course they are validated!! |
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OGFT
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| Why does it have to be an 'either "kudos" or cash' situation? |
I sign a contract for cash, not Kudos. Now if you need the pats on the back and praise to feel self worth, then seek out a company that offers Birkenstock as a bonus. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| I sign a contract for cash, not Kudos |
So if the job of mill toilet cleaner was up for grabs - and it paid more than you classroom post - then you'd be up to the office in an instant - bucket of disinfectant in one hand and pen to sign contact in other.
Validation is something that is felt in the inner-self through the stimulation of your outer environment - I suppose for a shallow few those bucks in the inner-pocket can provide stimulation enough. But for others - who still like their bucks - its also a warm fuzzy feeling of the good life that comes from the combination of many factors. Why waste so much of your life in an employment situation of krap where the only thing that counts is money - after all employment is also life not a living death  |
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OGFT
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Validation is something that is felt in the inner-self through the stimulation of your outer environment |
Validation is the ability to provide yourself a living through the appreciation of a paycheck and performance bonuses.
You are shallow indeed, if you are depending on others to determine your self worth. I have never signed a contract that provided a "warm fuzzy factor" other than a performance review. Krap is the definition of seeking approval from others outside of a administrative viewpoint. If this is what you want, I am sure upon request your employer will be happy to evaluate your service. A life spent seeking a job where you will be coddled like children is truly a life wasted seeking adulation's.
You should be seeking to give, not receive thanks. |
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johnchina
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:23 am Post subject: none |
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Nice to read some sensible posts!
"You are shallow indeed, if you are depending on others to determine your self worth." We're not using the word "depending". I and other people here are just saying that being appreciated adds to a person's feeling of self-worth.
Example: If you have a kid and that kid says "Mom/Dad, I'm proud of you!" doesn't that add to your feeling of self-worth? I think it fair to say that EVERY parent I know would feel at least a slightly higher level of self-worth after hearing such a comment.
"You should be seeking to give, not receive thanks." Doesn't giving also give most people a feeling of increased self-worth? As I stated in a previous post, I don't wake up every morning wondering how I can be a good little puppy dog for my boss and master, but I do realise that doing my job will be appreciated and, yes, I do like it when people appreciate me. You don't? What a sad person you must be.
A little research on the Internet reveals that work satisfaction rates in the US have stayed above 80% for the past 35 years. The implication is that, if you are working in the States and are NOT satisfied with your job, you're in the minority. The latest survey shows that just over half of Americans are VERY satisfied with their jobs, so actually, if you are less than VERY satisfied, you are still in the minority!
Going back to vikuk's point, many FTs in China do not stay long in a sinlge country/job - maybe that's why they are not treated as well as us who do. That's something that applies to every other field of work. Go to the States (or wherever) and try to get a job as a lawyer/doctor/manager, but make it clear to your potential employer that you only want to work there for a year. See what happens. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| You are shallow indeed, if you are depending on others to determine your self worth." |
Well since I think most people would relate the concept of self-worth in very close relationship to a concept of their own personal slant on social-norms (concepts you are constantly developing and have developed via your surrounding environment - family, peers, schooling, work, media etc etc) - then if the way others determine your presence (what folk think of you) doesn't have any effect - then I think you either are living in a personal vacuum - or don't quite understand the normal way others folk get those warm and fuzzy/icey cold and biting gut-sensations that relate to their personal feelings of self worth
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me (the process of trying to stay aloof of what others think of you) - but the problem is those names do hurt. Being called names is being made the outsider - being called nothing has the same result - your feeling of worth may be damaged. As a homo sap the social animal - being excluded from the community can hurt big-time. A workplace is a community - even if its professional in nature  |
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OGFT
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| I think you either are living in a personal vacuum - or don't quite understand the normal way others folk get those warm and fuzzy/icey cold and biting gut-sensations that relate to their personal feelings of self worth |
And I think it is time you stop practicing your brand of limp wrist-ed philosophy dealing with work related satisfaction and just accept the opinion of others. |
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vikuk
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I think you either are living in a personal vacuum - or don't quite understand the normal way others folk get those warm and fuzzy/icey cold and biting gut-sensations that relate to their personal feelings of self worth |
And I think it is time you stop practicing your brand of limp wrist-ed philosophy dealing with work related satisfaction and just accept the opinion of others. |
I think we can take it from that last purely personal post that the author was just influenced by his close cyber-environment into a icy cold gut sensation - and is trying to defend his personal worth in this discussion (I should accept his opinion)
He cares what others think/write - even on work related matters (see its not just the money he's focused on) - he doesn't live in a vacuum!!! Thanks OGFT for so neatly illustrating my point
This is a point which relates to the subject matter of this thread in such a way - most people can't help being affected by the the way they are treated in their workplaces - and that money doesn't seem to make-up for the feeling of lack of personal validation. After all don't all those stories of the unhappy super-wealthy tend to indicate money alone doesn't seem to give your own feelings of self-worth as a person the kind of value that make you the content and happy person. Money helps, but what people think of you and how they treat you - seems to be just as important!!!!! |
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cj750s
Joined: 26 May 2007
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Location: Donghai Town, Beijng
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| think we can take it from that last purely personal post that the author was just influenced by his close cyber-environment into a icy cold gut sensation |
I think we can assume the evaluation of my response is influenced by limp wrist-ed emotion of a closeted cyberfile seeking a warm fuzzy. I will take my warm fuzzy without the pat on the back..I would we guess appreciate different warm fuzzes. |
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