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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:04 pm    Post subject: Cost of living Reply with quote

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone could fill me in on the likely cost of living per month in Riyadh (I don't have dependants). Is accommodation usually provided?
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very hard to give a flat answer to this type of question, because there are so many factors. Do you want to get a car? Do you expect to have an active social life? Will you eat the reasonably priced local or Asian produce in the supermarkets, or do you require overpriced US pap from Tamimi? Will you want satellite TV and internet?

If one is to generalise, one can say that KSA is considerably cheaper than almost anywhere in Western Europe, though everyone I know says prices have increased quite a bit since the summer. For tips on how to 'live' life to the minimum, do a search for threads with the words "500 Club".
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know people who live (??) on 10 Riyals a day or 300 a month (=US$80). I know people who spend 5000 riyals a month.

Somewhere in between - that is the way to go.

The employer either provides housing or gives you a housing allowance.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
I know people who spend 5000 riyals a month..

Really, they must be associated with Uncle Bandar and his associates. Laughing
Sure, they also go to the toilet!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

The Gulf Arab region still provides the best savings for teachers in the world. In Korea I make $2800 without overtime, free housing and save an average of $1500 u.s. per month. Most other teachers in Korea on typical 2 million won salaries (just over $2000 u.s.) save about 1 million won per month (just over $1000 u.s.).

In Japan, where quality of life and general amenities are more jolly compared with Korea - teachers usually save about $400-$600 per month, on their typical 250,000-280,000 yen salaries ($2155-$2400) - in Japan housing is not free - teachers usually have to pay for housing, which runs from 70,000-100,000 yen or more per month ($600-$850/month).

You are paid less in Japan, and housing is not free, and cost of living is higher, but most teachers prefer Japan hands down, compared with Korea! In my case, Japan is a difficult choice as I am well over 35 years, and age discrimination is a factor in Japan, although not really publicized. With the recent collapse of the 'Nova' chain schools in Japan, where huge numbers of schools have closed, some of those teacher refugees might look to the Gulf countries for employment possibilities.

I am hoping for a post in Saudi, sometime in 2008.

Ghost in Korea
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
I am hoping for a post in Saudi, sometime in 2008.

InShaAllah (God Willing)! And then you will enjoy the 'couscous' of the Maghrebis and the 'Mouloukhia' of the Egyptians, all are North African dishes served by the Lebanese Garcons, and it cost only SR5! Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:03 am    Post subject: food for thought Reply with quote

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InShaAllah (God Willing)! And then you will enjoy the 'couscous' of the Maghrebis and the 'Mouloukhia' of the Egyptians, all are North African dishes served by the Lebanese Garcons, and it cost only SR5!
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Thanks for saying that. From a food perspective, I think your region will be much more tasty compared with Korea. You can only eat so much Kimchi and rice....and you see it served every day. Kimchi is fermented cabbage with red spices, and is served morning noon and night, as is rice....basically in Korea - breakfast, lunch and dinner (evening meal) resemble each other completely....the same stuff... soup, rice, kimchi, with small doses of fish or meat on the side. The good thing about Korean food - it is low in calories.....the bad thing - it tends to get repetitive, especially if eating in Institute cafeterias. Some teachers report that one of the reasons they are unhappy in Korea is because of the food.

Ghost in Korea
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

where HAS Ghost been happy?
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Deicide



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: food for thought Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
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InShaAllah (God Willing)! And then you will enjoy the 'couscous' of the Maghrebis and the 'Mouloukhia' of the Egyptians, all are North African dishes served by the Lebanese Garcons, and it cost only SR5!
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Thanks for saying that. From a food perspective, I think your region will be much more tasty compared with Korea. You can only eat so much Kimchi and rice....and you see it served every day. Kimchi is fermented cabbage with red spices, and is served morning noon and night, as is rice....basically in Korea - breakfast, lunch and dinner (evening meal) resemble each other completely....the same stuff... soup, rice, kimchi, with small doses of fish or meat on the side. The good thing about Korean food - it is low in calories.....the bad thing - it tends to get repetitive, especially if eating in Institute cafeterias. Some teachers report that one of the reasons they are unhappy in Korea is because of the food.
Ghost in Korea


Hey, I may hate Korea but I like the food. It is not all the same and there is a lot more variety than you are letting on.

The food is the best reason to be in Korea; everything else sucks. Damn, never heard such a weird perspective on the Land of Morning Smog.

People who like eating fast food and crap tend to complain a lot about Korean food; too healthy for them. Whatever...I eat kimchi every day and different kinds as well. It's loaded with vitamins and minerals as well as anti-oxidants.

Damn, G, you be warped!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

ghost wrote:
The Gulf Arab region still provides the best savings for teachers in the world. In Korea I make $2800 without overtime, free housing and save an average of $1500 u.s. per month. Most other teachers in Korea on typical 2 million won salaries (just over $2000 u.s.) save about 1 million won per month (just over $1000 u.s.).

In Japan, where quality of life and general amenities are more jolly compared with Korea - teachers usually save about $400-$600 per month, on their typical 250,000-280,000 yen salaries ($2155-$2400) - in Japan housing is not free - teachers usually have to pay for housing, which runs from 70,000-100,000 yen or more per month ($600-$850/month).

You are paid less in Japan, and housing is not free, and cost of living is higher, but most teachers prefer Japan hands down, compared with Korea! In my case, Japan is a difficult choice as I am well over 35 years, and age discrimination is a factor in Japan, although not really publicized. With the recent collapse of the 'Nova' chain schools in Japan, where huge numbers of schools have closed, some of those teacher refugees might look to the Gulf countries for employment possibilities.

I am hoping for a post in Saudi, sometime in 2008.

Ghost in Korea


BTW, where the hell were you maing 2.8 USD here?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:31 am    Post subject: re Reply with quote

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BTW, where the hell were you maing 2.8 USD here?
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I make 2.7 million won ($2800 u.s.) without overtime, basic salary at one of the Ministry of Education Colleges in Gyeonggi Do Province, 1.5 hours south of Seoul (bus, fast lane - can take up to 3.5 hours, in heavy traffic!).

You need to be (preferably) a certified teacher with a B.Ed./P.G.C.E. and M.A. in T.E.S.L to work here, but they may be flexible at times, as they have trouble recruiting. No one seems to stay for more than one year here. One of our best teachers is from Ireland, and stepped into the job with 'unlikely' credentials as a P.E. teacher, which baffled a lot of us here!

My contract finishes in April 2008. The money and the job are decent, but Korea is not a place I want to spend too much time in. I only have a few more years teaching before I'm forced out because of age (same age as my heroe, Sebastian Coe), so I can't stay too long here.....so many other places to see and work in. Life is short.

Ghost in Korea
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Assuming accommodation is provided, or an adequate accom allowance, typically it would cost between 4 and 5k SAR a month to live OK.

That's 2k for a car (assuming renting or leasing) and the rest for food (cheap and good, if you avoid western fast-food)), clothing, utilities (low compared to the west), mobile phone, satellite TV and internet (ADSL).
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personae gratae



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bengali cleaners earn about 350 Sr a month!(that's when their employer "kindly" accepts to pay them on time...)
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have found that SAR 3000 a month is a reasonable sum to live on. On some days one spends SAR20 and one some, SAR 180, but, generally, a SAR 100 per day will afford you a good lifestyle,
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are those who live on 300 or 500 riyals a month. It can be done. I do not recommend it. For a single teacher I would say 2000 riyals a month could do it. 3000 riyals is better.

Inflation is now kicking in after many years of price stability.
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