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| How likely is Charles to find a teaching job in Yanji if he hunts there for a month (in April)? |
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therock
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 1266
Location: China
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| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| I'm on to greener pastures where I get paid more than $10,000 a year (after completing my contract, of course)! |
$10,000??? I would guess most FT's wouldn't even earn that much in a year. Considering 4000RMB to 5000RMB is the average salary (some monkeys earn less) Then throw in the big airfare and travel bonuses and I would say the typical FT would earn about $8000 a year for their perfomances.
As for you, you will find work easily. The area you want to work in isn't saturated with foreigners. You might find it a little difficult to get university or college work as the time you want to come is mid-way through a semester. I would say try to find work at a dance school and then around July start applying to colleges and universities. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007
Posts: 740
Location: USA
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Stay away from the big top cities.. Beijing , Shanghai ect.
These places seem to be following the 4-year degree and 2-3 year experience requirements. They are also more expensive if you lack money.
I agree, Chinese FT salaries are a sore topic with many of us. However, they still are able to find enough qualified teachers at these salary levels.
You would be surprised that some of us have a master's degree or higher and some have teaching degree to boot.
You will find that some are retired and can still have a decent income because of the lower cost of living expenses. So you will meet all kinds in the FT China teaching circuits.
As for Taiwan, some strange things are going on there now for most new teachers. Taiwan Public Schools require a home country Teaching License. (To teach 6-year old kids you need a license)
For us in the USA, this requires a 4-year B.Ed and a state license that is much harder to get these days thanks to recent legislation. To get a Public School teaching license in my state I must agree to work in an inner-city school (3-years) and the license can be revoked if I try to switch districts including going overseas. So the licenses is only good for working in the USA but still demanded for Taiwan (catch-22)
English-Mills only require the 4-year degree and the Taiwan University positions are starting to require a Ph.D. McMills are usually not good places to work at.
As you can see, Taiwan has less opportunities for those new to the teaching circuit. (new to Taiwan that is)
You're coming from the best choice to do ESL work for money and that is Korea. The Middle-East has higher salaries but demand a MAEd (not a problem for me) but are not the best places to teach these days.
My suggestion is keep looking in Korea where the salaries are higher and your already know the language and culture.
If you want a western lifestyle you will not be able to save much in China compared to Korea. |
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| I'm on to greener pastures where I get paid more than $10,000 a year (after completing my contract, of course)! |
$10,000??? I would guess most FT's wouldn't even earn that much in a year. Considering 4000RMB to 5000RMB is the average salary (some monkeys earn less) Then throw in the big airfare and travel bonuses and I would say the typical FT would earn about $8000 a year for their perfomances.
As for you, you will find work easily. The area you want to work in isn't saturated with foreigners. You might find it a little difficult to get university or college work as the time you want to come is mid-way through a semester. I would say try to find work at a dance school and then around July start applying to colleges and universities. |
I'm perfectly aware that $10,000 is a good wage there, which is why I set it as the upper limit in my earlier post. So far I've had one offer for 5,500 RMB a month ($8,789.35 a year) and one for 6,000 RMB a month ($9,588.38 a year), so I'm guessing that for a non-degree CELTA holder, the average is about $9,000 or less, and I also expect that the boss adjusts that downward depending on numerous factors. |
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Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 984
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| Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| SnoopBot wrote: |
| Stay away from the big top cities.. Beijing , Shanghai ect. |
I'll make sure to stay away from them. They're not helpful to me. I want to continue learning Korean, which is spoken in Yanji, where I want to teach, but not much in Beijing or Shanghai.
| SnoopBot wrote: |
| As for Taiwan, some strange things are going on there now for most new teachers. Taiwan Public Schools require a home country Teaching License. (To teach 6-year old kids you need a license) |
That's pretty harsh! I guess I won't be teaching there, then.
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You're coming from the best choice to do ESL work for money and that is Korea. The Middle-East has higher salaries but demand a MAEd (not a problem for me) but are not the best places to teach these days.
My suggestion is keep looking in Korea where the salaries are higher and your already know the language and culture.
If you want a western lifestyle you will not be able to save much in China compared to Korea. |
I'm aware that the money in Korea is great in comparison to most other countries. Unfortunately, they ADAMANTLY require a degree. NO exceptions, unless you're married to a Korean and just doing private tutoring (or if you're racially Korean, which means you get an automatic green card). I've been trying to find another way to do it (like getting a D-2 student visa which allows 20 work hours a week and tutoring on that) but apparently even that is illegal. There is NO legal loophole for me to teach English in Korea. Simply none. Zero. So I intend to finish up my bachelor's degree while living in Yanji, over the course of about two years. Then I can teach in Korea, Japan, and other locations that generate serious $$. |
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