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collme
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:38 pm Post subject: Training and Transferring-A Bad Idea/Waste of Time? |
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Hello there!
I'm a U.S. citizen looking into teaching English abroad and receiving my CELTA training in Ireland. I am of Irish decent, however, because I'm 3rd-generation Irish-American I do not apply for citizenship, thus I'm ultimately branded as a non-EU national. I love Ireland and have friends who reside in Dublin, thus I figured, why not receive my training there. As much as I love Ireland, I won't be able to find work there because of the non-EU, needing a work sponsorship ordeal-which I believe is a nightmare there (and the fact that they already speak English there HAHA)....thus I'm thinking that I'd like to eventually teach in Prague-which I believe is a little more lenient when it comes to Americans and work permits. (However, this isn't a definite choice of location)
After all of this rambling, my dilemma is this: I know that it's recommended to do your training where you'd like to teach, however, is it absolutely crucial?....would receiving my training in Ireland be a bad idea or complete waste of time, or would I still be able to wrangle up some work elsewhere despite not living in the same location?
p.s. I've also been told that I won't be able to apply for a student work visa in Ireland during the time of my training-Is this true? It's a frightening thought-how do they expect us to support ourselves?
Thank you in advance for any and all advice |
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harry the hobbit
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 78 Location: middle earth east anatolia
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: |
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There is precious little TEFL work in Dublin and what there is is apallingly paid and the cost of living very high. Little chance for a wetback. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Training and Transferring-A Bad Idea/Waste of Time? |
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collme wrote: |
Hello there!
I'm a U.S. citizen looking into teaching English abroad and receiving my CELTA training in Ireland. I am of Irish decent, however, because I'm 3rd-generation Irish-American I do not apply for citizenship, thus I'm ultimately branded as a non-EU national. |
You are being 'branded' as a Non-EU national because you ARE a non-EU national. It could be close to a hundred years by now since your family left Ireland. It's nice that you like your heritage, but the reason this limit exists is to prevent people from moving there who really have no ties to the country, and it's Ireland's way of saying "uh...you aren't *really* Irish, eh!" But keep in mind that for a lot of countries, if it isn't your actual parents who left, then you don't qualify (the word is 'qualify', not 'apply').
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I love Ireland and have friends who reside in Dublin, thus I figured, why not receive my training there. As much as I love Ireland, I won't be able to find work there because of the non-EU, needing a work sponsorship ordeal-which I believe is a nightmare there (and the fact that they already speak English there HAHA)....thus I'm thinking that I'd like to eventually teach in Prague-which I believe is a little more lenient when it comes to Americans and work permits. (However, this isn't a definite choice of location) |
From everything I've heard, I'd say that the Czec Republic's entry into the EU means that Americans going to Prague isn't necessarily going to be all that easy, either. Some of the jobs posted for that country specify EU nationals only already. It definately seems to be one of the few EU countries that isn't consistantly requesting EU passport holders only, though. So if you're going to do that, then you had better get a move on.
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After all of this rambling, my dilemma is this: I know that it's recommended to do your training where you'd like to teach, however, is it absolutely crucial?....would receiving my training in Ireland be a bad idea or complete waste of time, or would I still be able to wrangle up some work elsewhere despite not living in the same location? |
No. Tonnes of people do their training in their home country. I think so long as it's either the country in which you will teach, or an English speaking country, you'll be fine. Some people may assume that you did it by distance, though and that could cause you some problems. But I've known people who did their training in other countries and had good jobs. In fact, many people who want to become teachers in Ontario, Canada do their B.ed in the UK, Australia or Buffalo, NY, USA. But those programs have prior arrangements with the province.
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-how do they expect us to support ourselves? |
They expect you to support yourselves through your savings, the same as you would if you were vacationing in Thailand and decided to do a TEFL certificate there, including the CELTA, because that IS what you will be doing- vacationing as a tourist. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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So long as the certification is from an on-site program with actual supervised teaching practice, it'll be acceptable in the Czech Rep. Yes, yanks can still get legal working permits here as well, though it is a hassle and likely to become even more of one. |
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collme
Joined: 01 Oct 2007 Posts: 11 Location: California, USA
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Ah... hmm.. Well I'm in the process of applying to International House in Dublin to do my training for the CELTA...thus it should be legitimate. If it becomes too much of a hassle to get into Prague, where do/can most Americans go to teach abroad? Korea? |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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There's no chance of Turkey getting into the EU anytime soon... If you want to be around other Americans, there's always Latin America. Otherwise, anywhere that's not a EU country, or currently at war with America is somewhere Americans can easily find teaching jobs. |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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There's no law saying you must be trained in the country you want to teach. I would aim for a centre that is considered to be of some prestige. They say, the Czech republic is good for newly qualified teachers. I've heard much good about IH Bratislava as well. |
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