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stew nield
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 Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:06 am Post subject: Opportunities with MA Applied Linguistics? |
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Hi folks,
Here's my details:
British, aged 29
MA Applied Linguistics,
6 years experience of all ages and levels, including over two years in a DOS position and a year at a university (which is my current position in Taiwan).
What do you think my chances are of landing a decent job in Spain? I'm not looking to live in Madrid or Barcelona (somewhere in the south I'm thinking), and would hope to land a university / college position, or something 'respectable' (don't mind teaching kids, just not the little 'uns).
What salary do you think I could expect? What kinds of hours and shifts? Paid holidays? Should I just turn up in Spain and take my chances? And more importantly, what's the ex-pat football scene like?
Thanks in advance, I did a little search but couldn't find much.....  |
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john_n_carolina
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| Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:52 am Post subject: |
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go to www.tesol.org
check out the vacancies there, mostly MA required |
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stew nield
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the link john, looks to be a handy website to keep on file.
Anyone else with any info regarding my original questions? I'm specifically interested in the potential earnings side of things....
Cheers. |
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john_n_carolina
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| Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2007 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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....another, even better is:
www.chronicle.com
hundreds of MA positions there... |
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john_n_carolina
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also, don't forget www.tefl.com
many MA required jobs there also...
the US is a great market for MA's....especially at community colleges. community colleges are the wave of the future in the US, and will likely save the nation / middle class from being blown off the face of the Earth. |
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mishmumkin
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| the US is a great market for MA's....especially at community colleges |
That must be intended sarcastically. The teaching positions for people w/ these qualifications are typically adjunct, and you won't know if you have job from term to term. There are no medical health benefits (a must), and the salaries often do not go far enough to support oneself. |
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spiral78
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In addition, the OP is a British citizen - very difficult to get a work permit for the US.
Wow. I'm so often telling North Americans how they can't work in many EU member countries. It's kind of refreshing to make a note in the other direction, even though it's a case when the OP had no stated intention of trying to work in the US - |
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john_n_carolina
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......not true -- i have a friend / director at a community college...the market there for MA A.L is pretty good in the US. but really, no market is exploding for MA A.L's. maybe in the future, when they start to require all the illegal aliens to take classes and pass English. believe me, this will happen...they will be mandated to take classes at community college or be deported, just like in the Netherlands.
a great majority of students at large city community colleges, Austin, Raleigh, Dallas, San Antonio, Las Vegas, New York, are Latinos, Mexicans, and recent immigrants.
so why wouldn't the market for ESL be good at these c. colleges?? where else are the illegals going to enroll, at Columbia University?? |
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spiral78
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I''m not saying there's no market, I'm just saying a Brit has very small chance of finding a job that will grant him/her a work permit - in the US!!!
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john_n_carolina
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...oops, yeah i read that awhile ago, but forgot when i posted. anyways, there are many international MA jobs on the sites i listed. and, ill stand by my argument that community colleges in the US will have hundreds if not thousands of ESL jobs in the next 5 years.
p.s. at least i list sites, and help. everyone else just comes on 'attack' mode. |
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spiral78
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I'm no attack dog, but I do know something about some international laws, being a US citizen in Europe....long term.. with an MA TESL/TEFl and ten years of experience in the field...
Not to mention that this discussion is taking place in the SPAIN forum, with an OP who has mentioned zero interest in working in the US.  |
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mishmumkin
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| p.s. at least i list sites, and help. everyone else just comes on 'attack' mode. |
It's not attack mode, it's the reality. Sure, there are part-time positions here and there, but the pay is low, the hours are unpredictable, and there are almost never benefits. Why would someone who's just paid $12,000-$15,000 USD for a masters degree aim to work in the US under these conditions? ESL teachers are not valued as professionals w/ expertise in the US. As for jobs teaching immigrants, I'll believe the jobs are plentiful when the feds start funding these required courses. I hate to sound so pessimistic, but I suspect the requirements for those teachers will drop along w/ the already cruddy payscale. |
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john_n_carolina
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| p.s. at least i list sites, and help. everyone else just comes on 'attack' mode. |
It's not attack mode, it's the reality
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....this is true, the reality of jobs for MA A.L's isn't / hasn't ever been great. this is why i stopped my enrollment for this program last year.
but, there are jobs out there, US or International. i just spent 7 minutes looking and saw 5 ESL jobs in the US that require MA's and pay $40K+ with full benefits.
on top of that, many of these jobs aren't listed. the US (not sure about Europe / Spain) nowadays is becoming more and more by contacts. i happened to get offered the Director of ESL position in a School County area a few years ago just from a "friend of a friend".
as far as using your MA A.L in Asia / East / China, is your best bet.
MishMumkin, you're exactly right about the market exploding worldwide for ESL when feds start requiring it (especially US). but, ill tell you, it's already started (indirectly).
the Feds at the Citizenship Test center are really tough now, not easy to pass. one of my Mexican tutor students failed...and he had extremely high verbal English... |
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mishmumkin
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| i just spent 7 minutes looking and saw 5 ESL jobs in the US that require MA's and pay $40K+ with full benefits. |
The thing is that I live in Seattle and 40K/year is like poverty level...ok, it's not THAT bad, but that salary wouldn't allow you to live in the city w/o splitting the cost of rent with someone else. This topic came up on the General Discussion board recently, and someone said they had earned $48K in seattle w/o benefits. Those types of jobs in markets that are flooded w/ MA TESOL holders like myself are few and far between. Hence, the reason why I hope to be sailing for other shores in the next year. |
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john_n_carolina
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The thing is that I live in Seattle and 40K/year is like poverty level...ok, it's not THAT bad |
.....that's an excellent point. im over here on the other shore, and 40K would be high middle class. assuming, the other spouse works and makes maybe 25K. that's 65K combined, good for Maine where houses go for $110,000.
the secret with with a "community-college" type job with limited benefits is to get insurance through the other spouse. if you can't do that, or if you're single, you're in deep water (like you said).
what shores are you heading for?? China? |
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