| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
jashworth
Joined: 02 Sep 2007
Posts: 12
|
 Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:36 pm Post subject: Sorry guys if this is a repeat. BA needed in Vietnam? |
 |
|
| I have been told you do. Before I took my course at Oxford Seminars they said I could. Now I graduated they say I can't. Pretty lame. Anyway do you know please tell me thank you very much for your time. J. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
UpScope
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Posts: 82
|
| Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
|
|
| To get a work permit, yes you need a degree. To get a job, you may do without, but to get a job that pays well, you need a degree. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Myersson
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 6
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
|
|
| What about no degree but a celta and experience? Are there good jobs? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
UpScope
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Posts: 82
|
| Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Cert + degree = good job + good pay
Cert + no degree = maybe good job + maybe good pay
Degree + no cert = maybe good job + maybe good pay
No degree + no cert = Go back to Korea |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ChuckECheese
Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
| UpScope wrote: |
Cert + degree = good job + good pay
Cert + no degree = maybe good job + maybe good pay
Degree + no cert = maybe good job + maybe good pay
No degree + no cert = Go back to Korea |
You're joking right? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
just noel
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
Posts: 168
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:43 am Post subject: |
|
|
| UpScope wrote: |
Cert + degree = good job + good pay
Cert + no degree = maybe good job + maybe good pay
Degree + no cert = maybe good job + maybe good pay
No degree + no cert = Go back to Korea |
No.
In Korea if someone has a fake degree they will get caught.
They will be arrested, and sent to a jail (detention center)
Charged.
Brought before a judge.
Fined.
And deported for working with false documents. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ChuckECheese
Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
|
|
| just noel wrote: |
| UpScope wrote: |
Cert + degree = good job + good pay
Cert + no degree = maybe good job + maybe good pay
Degree + no cert = maybe good job + maybe good pay
No degree + no cert = Go back to Korea |
No.
In Korea if someone has a fake degree they will get caught.
They will be arrested, and sent to a jail (detention center)
Charged.
Brought before a judge.
Fined.
And deported for working with false documents. |
Thus, recommending someone without a degree to go back to Korea is not feasible.
You must have a BA or BS to teach in Korea. Certs are not required. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 984
|
| Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| just noel wrote: |
| UpScope wrote: |
Cert + degree = good job + good pay
Cert + no degree = maybe good job + maybe good pay
Degree + no cert = maybe good job + maybe good pay
No degree + no cert = Go back to Korea |
No.
In Korea if someone has a fake degree they will get caught.
They will be arrested, and sent to a jail (detention center)
Charged.
Brought before a judge.
Fined.
And deported for working with false documents. |
Thus, recommending someone without a degree to go back to Korea is not feasible.
You must have a BA or BS to teach in Korea. Certs are not required. |
You are absolutely right:
Korea:
Candidate 1: Has a four-year degree in Tupacology and no work experience, ever.
Candidate 2: Has CELTA, 10 years of teaching experience in several Asian countries, and an associate's degree in education.
Korea will issue Candidate 1 the visa, Candidate 2 will be refused for not being qualified enough. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 984
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Okay, reviving interest in this topic for a little while (because it was never really answered):
Can you LEGALLY work in Vietnam without a degree? I'm not talking about "it's illegal, but you won't get caught." As long as it's illegal, if they don't pay me, I can't seek help.
I know you need a degree to get a work permit. I've heard though, that you can just work three months at one place, then three months at another, and keep repeating the process -- this means you don't need a work permit. Is this true? Is this legal to the point where if your employer screwed you, you could walk into a police station and say "I was screwed" and not get arrested or fined? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Posts: 5309
Location: Japan
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:07 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| If you are teaching illegally, the police will be the LAST people you will want to contact. if your employer screws you, you are screwed. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 984
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Gordon wrote: |
| If you are teaching illegally, the police will be the LAST people you will want to contact. if your employer screws you, you are screwed. |
Please go back and read my post. I know you can't seek police help if you're working illegally. I'm not stupid. I haven't lived in four different countries with a clean criminal record by being an idiot.
Anyways, is the rumor that you can work LEGALLY without a work permit if it's less than three months true? Supposing that it is LEGAL to do so, is it possible to seek help from the police if you're screwed, supposing that it is LEGAL? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ChuckECheese
Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Gordon wrote: |
| If you are teaching illegally, the police will be the LAST people you will want to contact. if your employer screws you, you are screwed. |
Please go back and read my post. I know you can't seek police help if you're working illegally. I'm not stupid. I haven't lived in four different countries with a clean criminal record by being an idiot.
Anyways, is the rumor that you can work LEGALLY without a work permit if it's less than three months true? Supposing that it is LEGAL to do so, is it possible to seek help from the police if you're screwed, supposing that it is LEGAL? |
Police would just look at you and laugh at your face.
Unless you're connected in some way with high powered VNese or have shiat load of money, you're just another foreign tourist to them.
They would just say ok and do nothing. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Rooster_2006
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 984
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Gordon wrote: |
| If you are teaching illegally, the police will be the LAST people you will want to contact. if your employer screws you, you are screwed. |
Please go back and read my post. I know you can't seek police help if you're working illegally. I'm not stupid. I haven't lived in four different countries with a clean criminal record by being an idiot.
Anyways, is the rumor that you can work LEGALLY without a work permit if it's less than three months true? Supposing that it is LEGAL to do so, is it possible to seek help from the police if you're screwed, supposing that it is LEGAL? |
Police would just look at you and laugh at your face.
Unless you're connected in some way with high powered VNese or have shiat load of money, you're just another foreign tourist to them.
They would just say ok and do nothing. |
I realize my chances of actually getting help from the corrupt police are low. My point is more "will my employer pay me because of the POSSIBILITY of getting in trouble with the police, no matter how small."
That's why it's important if something is legal or not. Yeah, in most countries in the world, the police do nothing. That's true in Vietnam, the United States, Korea, etc. However, the threat of the police helping out law-abiding people is enough to keep most people somewhat in shape.
So anyways, back to my original question: provided that I do not work at any place longer than three months, is it LEGAL to work in Vietnam without a work permit, or is the work permit necessary even for short-term work? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ChuckECheese
Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 216
|
| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:06 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| Rooster_2006 wrote: |
| Gordon wrote: |
| If you are teaching illegally, the police will be the LAST people you will want to contact. if your employer screws you, you are screwed. |
Please go back and read my post. I know you can't seek police help if you're working illegally. I'm not stupid. I haven't lived in four different countries with a clean criminal record by being an idiot.
Anyways, is the rumor that you can work LEGALLY without a work permit if it's less than three months true? Supposing that it is LEGAL to do so, is it possible to seek help from the police if you're screwed, supposing that it is LEGAL? |
Police would just look at you and laugh at your face.
Unless you're connected in some way with high powered VNese or have shiat load of money, you're just another foreign tourist to them.
They would just say ok and do nothing. |
I realize my chances of actually getting help from the corrupt police are low. My point is more "will my employer pay me because of the POSSIBILITY of getting in trouble with the police, no matter how small."
That's why it's important if something is legal or not. Yeah, in most countries in the world, the police do nothing. That's true in Vietnam, the United States, Korea, etc. However, the threat of the police helping out law-abiding people is enough to keep most people somewhat in shape.
So anyways, back to my original question: provided that I do not work at any place longer than three months, is it LEGAL to work in Vietnam without a work permit, or is the work permit necessary even for short-term work? |
With regards to legality of 3 month contract, the short term contracts are provided so that new hired is given time to gather and provide all necessary documents for the work permit. And one of the requirment as you said is 4 year BA or BS degree.
I am not a lawyer, but if you don't have a degree, you would be considered illegal for not having a degree. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
