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Gaining ME experience?

 
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justin032



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Gaining ME experience? Reply with quote

I have been lurking around for awhile and I will try not to ask too many dumb questions. Here goes...it seems like most serious employers in this region highly value previous experience in the ME. It also seems that any sort of "entry level" (non-MA) position is...shall we say, less than desirable by nearly all accounts I've read. So the question is, how does one gain entry level experience w/o the negatives?

My plan just starting out was to go to South America for the first few years, then do my Masters in Europe and then perhaps seek work in the ME. I am wondering how I will be able to compete against all the other MAs who have previous ME experience, or do you think an MA plus non-ME experience will be fine?
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Gaining ME experience? Reply with quote

justin032 wrote:
So the question is, how does one gain entry level experience w/o the negatives?

I am wondering how I will be able to compete against all the other MAs who have previous ME experience, or do you think an MA plus non-ME experience will be fine?

The answer to the first question is that you don't. That is true of all professions. But the negatives are often a matter of your ability to deal with marginal management and low level, often unmotivated students. That is one reason that I suggest that the ME isn't a good place for young entry level teachers. Classroom management skills can be crucial.

So if you show up with 2-3 years in language schools in South America and a shiny new MA, you will be behind a lot of applicants that can offer more. The best employers look at three things: MA, teaching 'after' the MA at university level doing academic English, experience with Arabic students. (edit: to make the children happy... though it would a good thing if more teachers did have experience learning from an Arabic teacher... they might even learn to understand the transfer problems)

Not that you wouldn't be able to get a job, but you probably won't get into the best ones.

VS


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thrifty



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Gaining ME experience? Reply with quote

[quote="veiledsentiments"]
justin032 wrote:
experience with Arabic teachers.
VS


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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, I had Arab teachers (technical instructors through GOTEVOT) who were MY students Very Happy

Yeah, probably a typo. But possible!!
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NadiaK



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say that entry-level jobs are any less desirable in this part of the world than anywhere else. I have worked for a number of language schools in the Middle East and not only lived to tell the tale, I actually loved one or two of the jobs.
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justin032



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nadia, which ones did you love?
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NadiaK



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first job was with one of the IH schools in Cairo (since closed, I'm afraid). They offered brilliant support for a newly-certified teacher. I also had a very good experience with the British Council in Amman.

Between those two jobs and a couple of others (which were also OK when all's said and done) I racked up enough experience teaching academic English to get offered a job with the HCT in the UAE. (Plus a couple of other teaching qualifications gained along the way.)
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clandestino



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:54 am    Post subject: Hmm interesting Reply with quote

Thats quite itneresting. I was wondering though, did you work in the BC in Amman after getting your two years experience? Its just that I thought the BC were quite strict on having two years exeprience.

all the best


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NadiaK



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I'd clocked up 5 years with IH and 2 years with the BC in Kuwait by then. I did have colleagues in various BC centres with less then 2 years' experience, though, so I'd say it's definitely possible (especially if you're in the right place at the right time...)
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harrythehook



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some employers actually prefer newbies with no ME experience. That way they can 'train' them to follow their rules and regulations. Newbies with no previous experience in the ME are easily intimidated and can be 'guided' in the right direction. They take no guff from newbies with no experience and kep them right under their thumb.
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