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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stephan you don't seem to show any of the normal outrage at the pervs' behaviour.
Unlike you guys I don't have a crystal ball so I don't know exactly what he was doing, if anything.

As I said, the computer evidence was totally flawed in the Operation Ore case, and hundreds had their lives tarnished or were driven to suicide as a result of the British police using it. I have no reason to be overly credulous about the German police's latest foray into magic new technology that constructs faces where there were none before. Even if the guy was guilty we still don't know enough about his exact activities, and the law being what it is in many jurisdictions would find ourselves committing a criminal act if we had a look to find out.

Paedophilia has become the new witchcraft and there have been a slew of egregious high-profile miscarriages of justice, both in the UK and the US as a result.

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Contacting previous employers - basic reference checking - is almost never done in Korea. They may want to consider it.
Agreed. It never ceases to amaze me now many schools and colleges hire without checking up references. It will not deal with cases like this though (the suggested crimes were apparently committed on holiday).
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points. Very good points. Especially considering Mr. Karr and the roasting he got (and we all gave) to him here.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you see ABC's take on things?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=3743338&page=1
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, now here's the kind of twit journalism I chose not to engage in...

I guess it was inevitable that somebody would write this story and link it to teaching in Asia...

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"It is really a matter of access to children. How do foreigners access children in this region?"


WTF? What do you suppose the ratio is of pedo teacher to pedo tourist?
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laconic



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
Ok, now here's the kind of twit journalism I chose not to engage in...

I guess it was inevitable that somebody would write this story and link it to teaching in Asia...

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"It is really a matter of access to children. How do foreigners access children in this region?"


WTF? What do you suppose the ratio is of pedo teacher to pedo tourist?


"Inevitable?"

It is only one of the latest of many articles or stories that have made the connection in the last several days.

Go to www.ajarn.com or the Korean board here and you will find many more articles and links with similar reporting.

Sorry, but people are reacting here to the allegation this particular teacher is a pedophile and when you connect "pedophile" and "teacher" you get the kind of natural reaction you are seeing.

It's not like there haven't been other notable cases in Asia of a similar nature.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Go to www.ajarn.com or the Korean board here and you will find many more articles and links with similar reporting.


Yeah, but I meant mainstream. Something other than what tourists read.

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It's not like there haven't been other notable cases in Asia of a similar nature.


True, as in the US and Canada, for example. But this is hardly related to teaching English. Take a look at recent legislation in Canada...now you can be prosecuted for such crimes committed in other countries. Good work by MPs says I, for a change, But did it come from teaching abroad? Nope...it stemmed from another series of high-profile cases.

This shouldn't be connected to teaching abroad at all.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets also not forget that even "back home" there are people in our country�s school system who should not be there. And there are police checks. A background check only works if you have been caught before.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
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Go to www.ajarn.com or the Korean board here and you will find many more articles and links with similar reporting.


Yeah, but I meant mainstream. Something other than what tourists read.

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It's not like there haven't been other notable cases in Asia of a similar nature.


True, as in the US and Canada, for example. But this is hardly related to teaching English. Take a look at recent legislation in Canada...now you can be prosecuted for such crimes committed in other countries. Good work by MPs says I, for a change, But did it come from teaching abroad? Nope...it stemmed from another series of high-profile cases.

This shouldn't be connected to teaching abroad at all.


Are you saying ABC News is not "mainstream" and only tourists read or view ABC stories or articles?

Given the fact that Neil has been making his living in Asia teaching English for the last five years, how can you make the argument this story is not related to teaching English?

If you're saying people are wrong in making such a connection, I think you are distancing yourself from reality.
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laconic



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dixie wrote:
Lets also not forget that even "back home" there are people in our country�s school system who should not be there. And there are police checks. A background check only works if you have been caught before.


Depends on the kind of background check that is conducted.

Thorough background checks often reveal "red flags" that do not rise to the level of a conviction but can be important when it comes to a hiring decision.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I�m talking about background checks that elementary/highschool teachers must have before they can be in a school.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been student-teaching in the public school system for two years now, as part of my B.Ed program. My criminal record check involved going to the police station and filling out a form (which I was allowed to take home to fill out). Then, I submitted the form to an officer at the police station and showed my driver's license to prove it was really me. Two weeks later, I returned to the station and picked up the same form, with three boxes checked off and a regular self-inking stamp with the police station's address on the bottom. I then took this form from my hometown in BC to Alberta and showed it at both schools where I was a student teacher... voluntarily. I was never asked to produce the form. If I'd wanted, I could have taken the form home, filled it out, checked off those boxes myself and ordered a self-inking stamp with the police station's address online, then stamped the form. Then, I could have not even produced it at the schools that I taught at, since nobody seems to care at all.

In my first year of student teaching, I felt that I had to report one of my "coworkers" (a teacher with 30+ years of experience) for making inappropriate comments about teenagers having sex. I felt nauseus for days because I was so uncomfortable with what he had said and the way he had said it, but just speaking inappropriately to a colleague is, to the best of my knowledge, not behaviour that is "punishable". I told my university liaison and my supervising teacher, and they dealt with it. Apparently it wasn't addressed with school administration because the parties involved thought I was personally offended by the subject matter, not that I was concerned for the students safety...
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Lemon



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, here's the good news many have been waiting for:

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSBKK21344820071019


BANGKOK (Reuters) - Canadian pedophile suspect Christopher Paul Neil, accused of raping young boys in Vietnam and Cambodia and unmasked by a unique Interpol Internet appeal, was arrested in Thailand on Friday, police said.

After a nationwide manhunt, Neil, 32, was arrested in the early hours of the morning in countryside northeast of Bangkok, a region well off the normal foreign tourist trail.

Neil would be presented for questioning by reporters at national police headquarters in Bangkok later on Friday, but details of how he was hunted down remained sketchy.

"My officers arrested him in the countryside in Nakhon Ratchasima this morning," tourist police chief Chuchart Suwannakom told Reuters, referring to a province 250 km (150 miles) northeast of the Thai capital.

"I can't give you more details at the moment," he added.

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soapdodger



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Result. Excellent. On the general subject, what has always disturbed me is why are certain countries paedophile magnets? What is it about the people or society there that makes them less protective of their children, especially when it is common knowledge that these beasts are homing in? Money is not the only thing. I would recommend the Thai government shoot a few. End of problem.
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QatarChic



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soapdodger wrote:
I would recommend the Thai government shoot a few. End of problem.


I couldn't agree more.
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