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Housing and Insulation in Japan
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Miyazaki



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate the weather in Japan.

Too dry and cold in the winter.

Too humid and wet in the summer.

I kind of like Fall.

Did you know that Japan has 4 seasons?
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Mahik



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But aren't they different from seasons elsewhere? Wink
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flyer



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Location: Sapporo Japan

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes Japan certainly does have extremes in their weather

.... I still can't get over that 10,000yen electricity bill for 1 month in summer for a small apartment
Surprised
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:16 am    Post subject: Re: Housing and Insulation in Japan Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
So what is the housing and insulation like in Japan? I've mostly heard its very cold in the houses due to very poor insulation, and not much of a heating system.

How about the further north you go? Did they develop the heating systems more sufficiently?

What are others takes on this?


As others have already said, what you've heard about cold houses is pretty much spot on. I live in a modern apartment (what's known as a "mansion"here, not the slightly flimsier "apato"), built only 3 years ago. And the winters here in Kyushu are not excessively cold - we rarely get snow. But it IS very cold in the apartment in winter. I regularly come home after a whole day with no-one in the apartment and the thermometer reading is the same as the outside temp...or sometimes even lower! There's no, or minimal, insulation, the windows are draughty and the air conditioner/heater that many people have in Japan is fixed at the top of the wall or into the ceiling - doesn't hot air rise Question Idea
It says it all really, that the kerosene heaters you get here, which although heating your apartment a bit more effectively also emit some very unpleasant fumes and therefore usually have a sticker on them, warning you to OPEN THE WINDOW and let the cold air in every 1-2 hours!

Incidentally, I also find that a lot of homes here not only let the cold in in winter, but also let the heat in in summer, greenhouse style. I guess a lot more focus goes into earthquake-proofing, which I have to say is usually impressively effective.

To the OP - if you wanna compare with Seoul, I'd say that most of Japan outside of the north, Hokkaido and the really mountainous areas, is not as cold in winter. BUT.....I know how much housing quality can vary in Korea, but, in my experience, you're likely to be a fair bit colder indoors in Japan - no ondol here, just tatami or cold wooden floors, I'm afraid. It's not an insurmountable problem at all, especially if you have some money to throw at it, but given how you seem to be weighing up quite a lot of things about Japan at the moment, I'd suggest you'd be doing right to give this particular issue some thought.
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slodziak



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mothy wrote:
if summer was any implication (is that the right word? Am I losing my English ability already? Oh no!!!!)


LOL Laughing
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know, we live in a not so big town (around 122,000) people, I think we are being ripped off. Even when we were GONE for the entire month (well we were there for 4 days) our electricity bill was about 4,000 and the gas was like 1,500. The only thing plugged in while we were gone was our refridgerator.
Yeah, I know someone who pays about 15,000 a month for a two story house with central air and american appliances.
We have two big computers, 3 fans, tv, and other normal stuff plugged in. I think what really costs us is the SINGLE hotplate...but still...at home we could have an entire house easily with that much electricity money.
So yeah, our bills for one month is about 80,000 (apt, bills, car, cell phones). Crazy!! and we live in a literal shoebox! But I do love Japan so I guess it is worth it...
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cornishmuppet



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quibby, you are totally being ripped off. I lived in a shoe box for two years, and even at the worst of my a/c abuse the highest my elec bill got was about 4000yen. Average was about 2500. Do you have a gas water heater? On the other hand, my gas bills average about 7 - 8000 a month because its responsible for all the hot water and the cooker.
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AndyH



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with flyer. I lived in Hokkaido and the Tokyo suburbs (Chiba), and my apartment in Hokkaido was much warmer than my place in Chiba. As long as I was inside, the Hokkaido winters were much more bearable, odd as it seems.
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gonzarelli



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miyazaki wrote:
I hate


Don't be a hater.
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Quibby84



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the hotplate is electric. The 6,000 a month we pay is only for showers...it might be cheaper to go to an onsen twice a week...
So if I am being ripped off what do I do?
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madeira



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to have someone check your meters. It sounds like you're being billed for another place or places... So, I'd call the gas company and electric company to look into it.

Unless you're on some kind of 'estimated usage' plan? Those are always whack. But then, you should see significant refunds a few times per year. And I've not heard of those being common in Japan.
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flyer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AndyH wrote:
Agree with flyer. I lived in Hokkaido and the Tokyo suburbs (Chiba), and my apartment in Hokkaido was much warmer than my place in Chiba. As long as I was inside, the Hokkaido winters were much more bearable, odd as it seems.


yes, its very true!

I think most people in Honshu would be surprised how warm it is in our (Hokkaido) Houses
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to Japan, I lived in an incredibly well-insulated building in Nagano. Minus 20 outside but we were always warm inside- double glazing and everything. Then I moved to Saitama where it was 25 degrees warmer but I damn near froze to death. Newer buildings in the colder prefectures tend to be well insulated, much better than in Kanto and further south.

Older buildings in Tokyo are absolute nightmares to live in- zero insulation, literally. I used to live in an old wooden house which had no air conditioning and only space heaters, (old in this case being about 30 years, meaning in Japan that the building is about derelict), and it was colder inside than outside in winter- we could see our breath and used to wear our coats and hats in the kitchen, and hotter than hell in summer. I swear it was over 40 degrees in my second floor bedroom between about 11am and 6pm- it was almost uninhabitable.

That house has just been pulled down, finally, and I now live in a 2 year old "mansion" which is such an improvement. It can get a bit chilly because we have one wall which is one third sliding door and window, one third glass bricks and only one third actual wall. Nice and light though! This summer though we had the a/c set at about 28 and only used it at night a few of the hottest days- neither of us like to be chilled though so I can't imagine setting the a/c for 19.

Coming from the north of New Zealand I am used to houses not being well heated or cooled- it mostly doesn't get that cold or hot in Auckland so we don't usually have central heating or cooling systems, but people from the US in particular sometimes complain that it's cold inside in winter- we are just used to toughing it out I suppose- we all wore uniform skirts or shorts to school in midwinter as well.
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flyer



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am from the south (of NZ)

I am used to the cold
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