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[vikuk]

[Anda]

Yep I live here with no insurance but have had open heart surgery for a bacterial infection plus a heart attack along with prior overweight problems and asthma and somehow manage to survive.

And, I wont say what, who doesn't read the links I provided but makes statements like do not eat meat when in fact I said limit your meat intake not cut it out, is you know what.

Doctors here like back home are a mixed bag some good and some useless.

Doctors as I said will pump you full of stuff that if you are lucky controls your condition but doesn't fix it but if you want to become dependant on pumping yourself full of medication to have a half life then go ahead.

If you do land yourself in hospital with a heat attack from failure to address the cause of your current high blood pressure you will find that your diet is strictly controlled in regard to meat and other protein intake along with calorie / sugar intake plus they will do everything in their power to get your weight down even if you are a little overweight as more weight means more body water which in turn means more work for your heart. So much for my off advice. I have spent three months in hospital on a heart condition diet so I do know a bit.

Of course cholesterol is a major problem and guess what causes it?
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What Is Cholesterol?
High Cholesterol: The Basics
The cholesterol found in low-density lipoproteins (LDLs) is considered most responsible for the formation of plaque. Plaque formation can lead to heart disease.

For Good Health, Know Your Cholesterol Level
The amount of cholesterol in your blood has a lot to do with your chances of getting heart disease.

Beyond Cholesterol
Scientists have learned that other substances may give you and your doctor new clues about your heart disease risk. And that's good news. Coronary heart disease, in which fatty deposits build up in your arteries, is the nation's top killer.

http://meriter.staywellsolutionsonline.com/wellness/cholesterol/Understanding/
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[vikuk]

[Anda]

A teacher not a doctor. Doctors learn by reading / studying in the main. Pity others don't.

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[vikuk]

[Anda]

You are indeed brave if you trust your average doctor. For instance in Australia if you have Medicare your average doctor will have you coming backwards and forwards bulk billing Medicare on your behalf, ho, ho, ho. Guess what he cares about and it isn�t your health as he is interested in how many visits he can get out of you.?

Here in China if the average doctor thinks you have money then you will have a heard time getting out of hospital until you have it explained that you are broke. If they think that you have no money then they are not the slightest bit interested in treating you! Guess what they are interested in you or your����.. ?

I prefer to study and use common sense and try to correct what has caused the problem in the first place.


For instance High blood pressure gets about one in five now in the West and heart disease is a leading killer, all this with a great Western doctor at hand. Yeah s--t happens when people are too lazy to study and take responsibility for their own health.

And if you think you are a special one off case then good luck to you but the vast majority of us are not that special and share common complaints for similar reasons.

[vikuk]

[jamesmollo]

thanks for all your replies and advise. I really appreciate it.
I think i'll wait till monday to find out the result of the shareholders meeting before contacting my embassy in shanghai.
The thing to consider is my blood pressure, all though to high, and printed on my medical exam still enabled me to take on a one year contract and obtain an r.p.f so as of now they are responsible for me no?
I could get get written confirmation from my doctor stating that it's not advisable I do this kind of work at his time and should return to my home country. Are they then liable to pay my return expenses and the 10,000 ending contract penaltly?

[Anda]

I would read it that your medical insurance cover is who should cover you but only for local medical costs.

Seeing that you chose to go back to NZ I would say that the school whatever would not have to pay out your end of contract airfares but only wages up till when you finish here in China. End of year holidays also usually only get paid if you finish the contract.

Usually most contracts only cover you for up to two weeks off due to medical problems and then you are on your own and they can legally exit the contract. In other words have you finish up.

Sorry but that is how I see it without actually seeing the contract that you signed.

[vikuk]

I think your major gameplan should be focused on securing the return expenses - in full (but without being so naive as not to realise that getting this sum might turn out to be very difficult if not impossible). If you are uncertain of the situation - don't agree to anything without giving it thought, time and consideration - and don't sign any forms in Chinese that have not been translated by someone you trust.
If you actually feel yourself fit to work - and want to work - then that's a whole other ballgame!!!!!!

[jamesmollo]

Party A: Wuxi Victoria Bilingual Kindergarten, Jiangsu Province, China
Party B:
The two parties, in a spirit of friendly cooperation, agree to sign this contract and pledge to fulfill conscientiously all the obligations stipulated in it.

一、 The Party B�s working period will be from 09/07/2007 to 30/06/2008
二、 If both of the parties work together to be good , they could make up the next year new contract after the end of this contract.
三、 Party A will provide：
1. Party A shall introduce to Party B the laws, decrees and relevant regulations enacted by the Chinese government, the Party A' s work system and regulations concerning administration of foreign experts.
2. Party A shall conduct direction, supervision and evaluation of Party B's work.
3. Party A shall pay Party B's salary regularly by the month. Party B's month salary is 6000 RMB(Include Tax、Tax fee is RMB95)，On the 15th of every month, Party A will pay the salary to Party B according to the time sheet. Party A will supply an apartment which will have bedrooms, the kitchen, air conditioners, color TV, the telephone, the sofa, the desk and the chair. Party A will pay RMB500/month for the fees of electricity, gas, water, phone, internet except for the oversea call & long distance call. The extra fee will be paid by Party B.
4. Normally, there will have a summer vacation with 40-65 days and winter vacation with 15-30 days depending on the school�s schedule. Party B shall not get any payment if she or he doesn�t work in winter vacation and summer vacation. Party B has to accept Party A�s arrangement if Party A needs Party B to work in winter and summer vacation, then Party A will pay for Party B�s working days.
5. Party A will provide vacations in Chinese legal holiday.
6. After Party B gets the work visa, Party A will provide accident insurance and hospitalization insurance. It pays for hospital care, but not for visits to the doctor or medicine. The other any expenses shall be covered by Party B except for these insurance.
7. Party A will apply Working Visa for Party B and pay for the application fee, but Party B must provide the necessary personal documents ( Such as University Diploma, TESOL) within 2 weeks which Party B starts working at school. .
8．If in the course of one month, Party B is late to work (by 30-45 minutes) or five times, Party A will take out 5% of Party B�s salary for that month. Should Party B be late by 45-60 minutes, 10% will be taken out of the salary. Lateness by Party B for over 60 minutes will result in 15% of Party B�s salary being reduced for that month.
四、 Party B's obligations
1. Party B shall observe the laws, decrees and relevant regulations enacted by the Chinese government.
2. Party B shall observe Party A�s work system and regulations concerning administration of foreign experts and shall accept Party A�s arrangement,
direction , supervision and evaluation in regard to his/her work.
3. Party B shall complete the tasks agreed on schedule and guarantee the quality of work.
4. Party B shall respect China's religious policy, and shall not conduct religious activities incompatible with the status of an expert.
5. Party B shall respect the Chinese people's moral standards and customs.
6. Party B will attend & stay in school to teach by class schedule with less than 20 teaching hours weekly from Tues. to Sat/ Mon. to Fri.(The exact time depends on school�s schedule), and the other time are office hours to let Party B prepare for the class, write teaching plan and communication books, take care of kids and so on.
⒎ Party B has to participate any other kindergarten�s activities without extra payment in weekday(sometime, these activities are held in the night of the weekday) . For example, Halloween show, Christmas show, Parents� day, Field Trip, Semester�s Show, Sports meeting and some kinds of competition. Party A will give Party B extra payment according to school�s regulation if these activities are held in the weekend.
8. If Party B gets sick or has to take time off, the leaves amount to less than 6 days(including 6 days) within one year contract ( this refers to Party B have finished the one year contract), Party B will be paid with 100% of the salary. In case the leaves exceed 6 days, Party A will subtract 200RMB/ day until the normal work is resumed.
9. If Party B get sick and has to take a leave, please call the director, message is not acceptable. Party B should fill in the request form after she or he gets back.

here is the contract. Like I said I signed both this one and the standard s.a.f.e.a contract making it 'legal'.
And yes, Anda you're right my medical insurance provided by the school is for hospital care in china. I have not said I wished to return home, that's their idea.

[vikuk]

If you wish to stay in China - then the embassy advice becomes rather mute - you're not a destitute national, since you can work and have funds to live on, even though they're not enough to go home. The Embassy help would probablly be most focused on getting you repatriated because of sickness!!!

If you wish to stay in china despite your sickness - then I reckon Anda the google doctor becomes a real option - I obviously thought you were sicker that you really are

If you wish to stay in China - the rocks advice on doing a runner has a bit more sense attached to it - but beat up those people who took your job before you finally go. Doing a runner just relieves you of the hassle of fighting for your rights and enables you to quickly get on with another job!!! With this option you have a release letter question to look into.

See what they offer you on Monday - and play your cards after that. It seems your employer may want to off-load you - in the direction of NZ - not only because they're scared of you getting ill again - but also to relieve them of possible breach payments if you are indeed fit to work again. But then again they might want to totaly dump you with nothing!!!

[Anda]

If your s.a.f.e.a contract is a photocopy then is is just a bit of paper.

A s.a.f.e.a contract is a stand along contract and does not support any other contract.

s.a.f.e.a will only support a contract issued by them full stop. They will not even support a photocopy of their own contract.


Sorry Jamesmollo but I think you are stuck. You would have to stay in country to fight any legal battle and I'd say with little chance of getting anything.

If you make a problem then you will have little chance of getting work elsewhere here in China.

Cut your losses and leave quitely if you want to go back to NZ.

I have a plane ticket sitting as a back up in case I run into problems but my college is happy with me and I just pay my own medical bills and so is life.

NZ isn't that easy to get a decent job and you don't have the support system that Australia has for long term unemployment. Life is more interesting here I think.

[jamesmollo]

i think you have missed the point. i am unable to work in china according to doctors diagnosis. so of course i want/should/must go home but I haven't told them that.
Written in my red medical book is a blood pressure reading of 170/100 but they hired me anyway and issued a visa. After that happens they are responsible for your care whilst in their employment and (the chinese government) while you're in their country.
Of course if I state that 'I' wish to terminate the contract it's a different story.

[Anda]

As I stated the insurance company is the one who has given you the cover not your employer. Usually insurance companies will not cover a pre=existing condition. That is why I don't have cover, my college just give's me 1,000 RMB a year towards getting my own insurance cover and that's it. I spend this money plus more on my own medical costs. I've spent over 4,000 this contract already but that is life.

Your employer lets you stay for a while as I said, usually two weeks if you get sick and start missing work so they cover you up to two weeks with wages and then they can break the contract with you and you're on your own.

Anything else is just wishful thinking. You are not in the West here, all they will do is laught at you behind your back. You are expecting more than they do for each other.