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		| nowasta 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Thank you! |   |  
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 People usually, when deciding to take a job or not, consider other important factors such as:
 
 1- Quality of students
 2- Teaching & working hours (8 to 5 every day seems like two teaching shifts to me and  long long days)
 3- Working atmosphere
 4- Quality of supervisors/managers
 5- Long-term vision
 6- If married & with kids, quality of schools and wive's life style
 7- College/universities facilities
 8- Professional development
 9- Leadership & management styles: Authoritarian/ participative/ top-bottom or bottom top and the list goes on
 10- Especially the personality and leadership of an employee's DIRECT LINE MANAGER (I am just wondering why that Kiwi/Aussie was so nice to me on the phone???????
 11- It is up to Nowasta to think about other important things rather than sacrificing his/her life for 18,000 and working in a rotten management system according to the 2 posters.
 
 
 
 
 Thank you guys!
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 1. Have you ever taught in the Gulf before?
 2. Standard work day at most of the "better" unis in UAE except UGRU which is a little less. Get used to it.
 3/4. Don't get any of us started on these ones.
   5. This one is even better!
   6. Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Al Ain...n'uff said
 7. Always top notch on the surface, but how about that seedy underbelly. Ask them about it at your interview.
 8. Do you even know what a PD Nazi is?
 9. If you are even asking that question, you have no clue about teaching in the Gulf!
 10. huh?
 11. The answer was what we call "tongue in cheek". Glad to be carrying the torch!
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		| Afra 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:17 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| adorabilly wrote 
 
 
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	  | HCT (while it does have its faults) covers ALL of the educational expenses for the kids, |  
 It may be that in RAK the education allowance covers school fees for three children but not in Dubai.  In any case it is not true to say that all expenses are covered as the HCT do not pay for books, uniforms, school bus, etc.  Education costs are now a big issue in the Dubai Colleges and are a major factor, along with housing, exchange rates and even more top down management, in decisions regarding whether to request renewal of contract or move on.
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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | It may be that in RAK the education allowance covers school fees for three children but not in Dubai. In any case it is not true to say that all expenses are covered as the HCT do not pay for books, uniforms, school bus, etc. |  
 True.  There's another factor too.  Apparently teachers in RAK have been increasingly realising that the quality of the school there is 'somewhat lacking'.  Apparently it's little more than a glorified ESL institute, which means the relatively small number of enrolled L1 English-speaking children are not obtaining a particularly good education.
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		| adorabilly 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| 1.  In the RAK the educational allowances from HCT do cover the expenses.  They do not cover the bus, or uniforms, but do pay for the books. 
 As opposed to  Dubai or abu dhabi (HCT, or ECAE) where you do have to pay out of pocket.... and may have to for rent in villas too...  That is one of the reasons we chose the RAK.
 
 2.  As for the school, RAKESS... there are differing levels, based on different teachers... some teachers are extremely easy, and some are very intense...  As a parent who is involved, I know exactly what my children are learning, and if I had a problem, I would have my children change classes... so I disagree with the assessment of RAKESS...
 
 bje, I love the use of apparently in your post... apparently it makes the school look absolutely terrible... apparently there are so few children it is a wonder it isn't apparently taught in arabic.  Do you have children there?  Because I do.  And so far I have no issues with their education.
 
 the school has recently sacked (or he resigned depending on who you talk to) the prinicpal (I'm not sure of the reasons).  So maybe, it apparently was poor, but a new principal, a new head of primary means that changes are on the way....
 
 Now there is a second school a SABIS school of which I have heard terrible things... no apparently about it.
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		| Afra 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:18 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| As bje points out, many teachers have transferred from RAK due to the lack of suitable secondary schools for their children; including teachers from some of those schools, who have ended up teaching at an HCT College in Dubai or elsewhere. |  |  
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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:44 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | 2. As for the school, RAKESS... there are differing levels, based on different teachers... some teachers are extremely easy, and some are very intense... As a parent who is involved, I know exactly what my children are learning, and if I had a problem, I would have my children change classes... so I disagree with the assessment of RAKESS... 
 bje, I love the use of apparently in your post... apparently it makes the school look absolutely terrible... apparently there are so few children it is a wonder it isn't apparently taught in arabic. Do you have children there? Because I do. And so far I have no issues with their education.
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 Chill out man, and cut the arrogance.  YOU like the school- that's good.  Others are not of the same opinion.  You can accept that with good grace, or continue to expend energy insisting YOUR opinions should be the benchmark.
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		| MrScaramanga 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:07 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | adorabilly wrote: |  
	  | As opposed to  Dubai or abu dhabi (HCT, or ECAE) where you do have to pay out of pocket.... and may have to for rent in villas too...  That is one of the reasons we chose the RAK.
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 Ha, ha, ha... Villas in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, ha, ha, ha!!! Don't we all wish... With the housing allowance offered today at HCT or even ECAE, you're lucky to get a 1, maybe 2 bedroom apartment in a semi-crummy building...
   
 Thanks for the laugh!
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		| Concerned Parent 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | adorabilly wrote: |  
	  | As for the school, RAKESS... As a parent who is involved, I know exactly what my children are learning, and if I had a problem, I would have my children change classes...
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 I'm not sure how involved you can be in a school that has no PTA - apparently.... the powers that be do not want parents interfering or being involved. I'm also not sure how involved you can get in a school that locks the doors of the teaching buildings when lessons start to keep parents out.
 
 Adorabilly - you can't have been involved enough to read the newsletter that stated there can be NO children changing classes. Parents have fought tooth and nail for their children to change class, only for their requests to fall on constantly deaf ears.
 
 
 
 
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	  | bje, I love the use of apparently in your post... apparently it makes the school look absolutely terrible... apparently there are so few children it is a wonder it isn't apparently taught in arabic.
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 There is nothing 'apparent' to bje's observations. Once you have been here longer than 2 months adorabilly, you will find out that a considerable number of parents have been dissatisfied enough with RAKESS to move the family to other emirates - Afra's post is spot on, only you'd be surprised how many people have moved because of RAKESS over the past five years. Other parents have taken the heart-breaking decision to send their children to boarding schools in their home countries to get their children a normal education. Numerous other teachers have transferred their children to the SABIS school and are much happier with the results they get.
 
 
 
 
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	  | apparently there are so few children it is a wonder it isn't apparently taught in arabic.
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 Another issue that bje is correct about is the fact that there are so few children from L1 backgrounds at the school. It is RAKESS policy to evenly distribute these children in classes among the non-native English speaking majority. The result is that there are sometimes as few as one L1 speaker in a class of up to 23 Arabic speakers. In Primary, this results in a classroom environment in which Arabic is the language heard most often by the L1 speaker, resulting in the L1-speaking child picking up the language mistakes of the Arabic-speaking English learners.
 
 Primary is in fact a wholly EFL environment, which means your child will not be challenged as much as s/he would be in a class full of L1 speakers - He/She will have to stick to learning what the class average student can comprehend in English - this will, logically, be considerably less than what your L1-English-speaking child can comprehend. If your child can read better than his/her clasmates, he/she is designated as being "special needs" and as RAKESS has no special needs policy, your child cannot be given extra attention to meet his/her abilities  -  I was told this by my child's teacher.
 
 
 
 
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	  | the school has recently sacked (or he resigned depending on who you talk to) the prinicpal ... but a new principal, a new head of primary means that changes are on the way....
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 Are you being apparent or factual here adorabilly? The principal sent a letter to all parents saying he was resigning effective Sept 1, 2008.
 Primary has its third head in two years - is this good? Changes have always been on the way, unfortunately the school's parochial outlook and poor management means its reputation continues to decline.
 
 The RAKESS website claims it is an "international school" - It is not (at least not in the commonly-understood sense). The RAKESS website says it follows a PYP curriculum - True, but it is not PYP accredited.
 
 Stick around a while longer adorabilly and talk to people. Really get involved before you rely on your 2 months of experience here to act the knowall. Perhaps start the PTA yourself instead of visiting Etisalat in your dressing gown and slippers - you have the time.
 
 I am a parent with a child at RAKESS. To preempt posts suggesting I should pull my child out of RAKESS, I would love to, it's not always easy to do so. I'm waiting for RAK (not 'the RAK'  adorabilly) to get bigger and get another school to give competition to RAKESS.
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It is hard to see the Sabis system as any kind of improvement.  Are there many parents doing home schooling? 
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		| adorabilly 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| That is interesting. 
 The original part of the post was about ECAE.
 
 I offered my opinion and reasoning for turning down the salary offered and the location for RAK (pardon my improper use of THE in previous posts... after all I'm not an english instructor... my bad).
 
 When compared to the other positions and ECAE in particular I offered my thoughts.
 
 At which time it has become a "sit back and shut up sonny!" attitude from others.
 
 But to address certain issues (and then close my part of the discussion).
 1.  I actually TALK to my children's teachers at Rakess.
 2.  I volunteer to help out in class (and do so for several hours a week)
 3.  Compared to homeschooling in China and public schooling in Japan, Rakess is a wonderful place.  But I guess my standards might be somewhat lower than more "seasoned" expats in RAK.
 4.  As for the secondary level here, I have no information because my kids are all in primary.
 5.  I did read the newletter saying no transfers were available.  And yet, I have also heard from several parents who have gotten their children moved when the classes were not up to their standards.  I know that when I approached the principal with my concerns, he was very helpful.
 6.  As to starting a PTA, it is in the works and I have been VERY involved trying to get one off the ground.  But I guess my lack of experience here, and of course my poor grasp of the subject (and of course my visits to etisilat... nice one to throw in there btw) have just keep me so out of touch with the regular people.
 7.  I never insisted that my opinion of the school was the norm.  But to give blanket statements of "this is so bad" w/out first hand knowledge is ignorant.
 
 And since we are off topic, I'm done with this discussion.
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		| Concerned Parent 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| In fairness adorabilly, you have not been adverse to casting your own aspersions in this thread, nor of contributing your own off-topic posts. 
 Anyway, this off-topic post is still about the poor standards in RAKESS, not perceived personal attacks on you. As you talk to more parents and RAKESS teachers, you will learn more about the dissatisfaction of both with the school. There are many extremely talented and professional teachers at the school. Unfortunately they are long-suffering due to the principal's management style - Ask anyone about the teacher turnover and why the previous two heads also "retired".
 
 Good luck with your efforts in trying to set up a PTA. Perhaps now the incumbent principal is serving out his year-long resignation period, he'll finally start to listen. I think you need to address the system of putting 3 or 4 fluent L1 English-speaking children in a class with 20 or so English learners (with varying degrees of fluency) and the potential for damage this has to the learning of the fluent L1 boys and girls in the primary years. Many parents have called for a class of L1 students. The principal has flatly rejected all calls for this.
 
 
 
 
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	  | Compared to homeschooling in China and public schooling in Japan, Rakess is a wonderful place. |  
 This might be so but RAKESS is a private school. It charges quite high fees. As such, it pales in comparison with private schools in the US, UK, NZ, Australia etc. and with the private schools of Sharjah, Dubai and Abu Dhabi. It is against these private schools you should be setting your standards and asking yourself whether your children are getting the high quality education you pay for. Obviously Chinese homeshooling is nowhere near as good as RAKESS. The quality of the teachers at RAKESS is the same as in other private schools; unfortunately, the management and its school policy isn't.
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		| mishmumkin 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:58 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Numerous other teachers have transferred their children to the SABIS school and are much happier with the results they get. |  Any time I read comments like this, I have to assume that the parent is blissfully unaware of what Choueifat's curriculum is really like.  That, or the previous school is so horrific that it actually makes Choueifat look good. That is hard to believe, but I suppose not impossible given the quality of schools in the UAE on the whole.
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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 11:59 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | The original part of the post was about ECAE. I offered my opinion and reasoning for turning down the salary offered and the location for RAK (pardon my improper use of THE in previous posts... after all I'm not an english instructor... my bad). When compared to the other positions and ECAE in particular I offered my thoughts. At which time it has become a "sit back and shut up sonny!" attitude from others. |  
 You have been publically justifying your personal choices for months now, which is of no particular relevance to other than yourself. Attempting to impose your version of reality and tying yourself up in uncomfortable knots defending such choices is unnecessary.  If happy with your current situation, enjoy it. But others are hardly duty-bound to mirror your perceptions and feelings.  If they do not, an arrogant self-defensive approach will simply cause offense.
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		| helenl 
 
 
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				| I'm curious about one item you mentioned Adorabilly.  You say you volunteer at your childrens' school several hours a week - is that during the HCT work week or after hours?  I ask because HCT is usually very specific about how many hours instructors MUST be on campus (and this varies from campus to campus and even which faculty you're employed in). 
 In my experience, there were always those amongst your colleagues who were quite "good" at clocking others' time spent on campus (right down to when you arrived and when you left and how much time you spent in the lunch room).
 
 Housing and schooling costs elsewhere in the emirates is a major issue, and perhaps you haven't heard the gossip that smaller emirates (like RAK and FUJ) may have their housing allowances reduced - because it's supposedly cheaper to rent there - to subsidize others in the system. (Good unsuppported gossip is always a mainstay at HCT
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		| adorabilly 
 
 
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				| Hi Helen1. 
 My wife works for HCT.  I am currently attempting to finish my MA online (that is why the lack of internet at our villa was such a big deal.... and is still an issue that creates a great deal of frustration for me because it goes in and out at random times... usually when I'm downloading pdf files, or uploading my homework to webct/vista.)
 
 As such my time is very open, and I often spend about 2 to 4 hours a week in my childs class.
 
 The school does not seem very inviting to how parents can help. After all there is no established PTA.  I didn't ask the school.  I didn't bemoan the fact there is no PTA.  I just asked my childs teacher if I could help out.  They were grateful for the parental involvement.
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