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[cangringo]

Ok one more time, I'm not saying that some women aren't happy cooking and cleaning and sacrificing their lives for their families. I do think that if one doesn't know any better, then one will put on a brave face and just do it even though it's possible that one is not happy doing so. I've talked to many women who did it in the 50's and 60's and it's not that they wanted life to be that way...that's how things were done. I know where this idea that women love to cook and clean and have babies comes from but it doesn't make it so. Many don't enjoy it, they do it because that's what's expected and if a person doesn't know any better...anyway blah, blah...I just believe in choice and to have choice, one must know what other options there are and I don't believe that Mexico has caught up with the rest of North America in this yet.

Anyway I'm not saying that all Mexicans do it or that women are not getting out there in the work force and following their dreams. I do see a lot more of them that aren't here than I did in Canada. I also see a lot of machismo, which btw does not mean the men don't spend time with their children and it doesn't mean they aren't affectionate.

As for the tacos, I don't know if it's where I've been living but so far they are disgusting. Yes I said it...don't get me wrong, love the different salsas and condiments and all of that but the meat they use for tacos is just awful. I do however love the papas rellenos and the ...forgot the name of it...the pork. Oh and we have found some delicious tortillas here.

[MO39]

[Guy Courchesne]

Here you go, Cangringo...something straight from the Great White North to lighten your day.

[cangringo]

[tagastelum]

I teach a survey class in political science at an upper-class prepa in Monterrey. Last month, we explored transnational concepts such as feminism. The bell cut us off mid-debate. For our next class, I wrote on the board that "Feminists...

* can be women OR men.
* are not all lesbians.
* do not hate men."

The ensuing discussion, which most likely would have been identical had it occurred in the US, was pretty much what you'd expect. Students' comments (boys and girls) were mostly negative because they simply don't like the word "feminist". Then, the direction shifted and the kids wanted to talk about machismo.

The boys didn't deny that it existed, but they couldn't define what it was. The girls suggested that machismo was what allowed their brothers to stay out all night with their friends while they had to be home by midnight. The girls also mentioned an event that unfolded at the prepa last semester when a 2nd semester girl became pregnant by her 4th semester boyfriend. The girl was expelled from the school and hasn't been heard from since. The boy suffered no punishment whatsoever, neither from the school nor from his parents.

Do you think this same result would have happened in the US or Canada?

Machismo is alive and well in Mexico. That doesn't mean that sexism and male chauvinism doesn't also exist north of the border, but I do think that it is challenged more openly. In Mexico, it survives with nary a challenge to the status quo. That's not a cultural difference that should be tolerated. It's just plain wrong.

[cangringo]

Thanks tag, do you mind if I call you tag...

I think that's what I was trying to get at but doing a very good job of it.

[chichifo]

Do you think this same result would have happened in the US or Canada?

As you said, you teach in a private prepa; as you know, most of the private prepas and universities in Mexico are run by or have connections with religious groups. I studied just in public institutions, I had classmates who got pregant and NONE of them was expelled because of that. And in general, upper class crowd is more conservative than the middle and lower class people.

If you think that in the US things like these dont happen, you're living in Kukupland.

Gay Teen Expelled From High School
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/14/25238/046

[john_n_carolina]

....that's apples and oranges. he was running a gay website called my-boi.com and this is a Christian academy. what if some of the photos fell out of his backpack in the hall in front of the other students? people have a right to homosexuality. but also, people have a right to not be in a homosexual environment if they're specifically choosing that school.

public schools, they're all over the place.

[Samantha]

chichifo wrote:

[john_n_carolina]

Trinity's Mission.."From kindergarten to twelfth grade, students are taught that God is the author of Truth, that Jesus Christ fully embodies God�s Truth, and that all subjects or disciplines originate from His creation and lead to fuller service of Him and His world."

2007 Tuition: $13,000

if parents are choosing a school and paying $13,000 a year, they want that school to adhere to the principles of the Bible. as far as i know, the Bible doesn't advocate homosexuality.

[Samantha]

So what do you suppose they would do with a pregnant student?

[john_n_carolina]

i don't know. i suppose home-study course. if her parents are willing to pay $13,000 to sit at home? if she's willing to 'out' her b/f, then they both sit at home. H.S. isn't a great environment for a pregnant woman. noise, steps, bathroom, morning sickness, ...there's no dulas during lunch hour.

[Samantha]

I think you just proved the point being made where a poster asked "Do you think this same result would have happened in the US or Canada?"

[john_n_carolina]

yes, very true. the original comment about, "Do you think, etc" was referring to , "Do you think in the US, the girl would be expelled and the boy nothing happened.?"

at a prep school in the US, not very possible.

this case in Mexico could be an isolated incident. i'm not sure one can measure the Mexican nor the US policy on one case.

maybe the girl wasn't expelled. maybe, she just left.

maybe the boy was the nephew of the Headmaster.

also, in Mexico, if you expelled a boy from a prep school, wouldn't you be ruining his future?? or, in essence ruining his career and therefore his ability to pay for his son / daughter and wife?? just guessing...

[dixie]