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Harry from NWE
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| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| I've an idea, how about showing the school how much you are worth. How about working hard for a semester and then putting yourselves in a position to negotiate a higher salary? |
Because for every school that will pay more after a semester there are a few who will not.
Also, schools don't want a one semester teacher: they want teachers to sign for a year. Trying to renegotiate a signed contract is always a bad idea.
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| I had one 'Teacher' come into my office last week who actually got out his calculator and started punching figures. I felt like punching him. |
Why? He wanted to know how much he'd earn. What's wrong with that?
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| We school owners are very accommodating to good, hard working and reliable teachers, whilst what we are usually faced with is backpackers with calculators who turn up smelling like whiteboard markers after a night on the p*ss. |
I can't say that I've ever sniffed whiteboard markers long enough to notice the similarity between them and a post-party animal. Then again I seem to be going out about once a month these days so I might no be the best person to ask about nights on the p*ss...
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| There are schools in Krakow that pay well above the figures quoted, but not to people who think the world owes them a living. |
And the school owners who think the world owes them a living pay a pittance.
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| Accept you are on a trial period on a basic rate and show everybody what you are worth and if you are getting nowhere this should be obvious after a few weeks. |
Would you agree to a new teacher getting full salary for only working 60 minutes of a 90-minute lesson while he sees if the school is worth working for and the school owner can be trusted? You wouldn't? So why do you expect the same from the other party in the deal? |
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phantombedwetter
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
Posts: 154
Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Harry from NWE wrote: |
| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| I've an idea, how about showing the school how much you are worth. How about working hard for a semester and then putting yourselves in a position to negotiate a higher salary? |
Because for every school that will pay more after a semester there are a few who will not.
Also, schools don't want a one semester teacher: they want teachers to sign for a year. Trying to renegotiate a signed contract is always a bad idea.
It's often the case that the owner will approach the teacher in the second semester, ask about their plans for next year and negotiate a new contract.
However, your point is a valid one.
| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| I had one 'Teacher' come into my office last week who actually got out his calculator and started punching figures. I felt like punching him. |
Why? He wanted to know how much he'd earn. What's wrong with that?
He was only interested in the highest hourly rate, not training, not promotion, not student development, only a quick buck. Not interview behaviour, I'm sure you'll agree.
| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| We school owners are very accommodating to good, hard working and reliable teachers, whilst what we are usually faced with is backpackers with calculators who turn up smelling like whiteboard markers after a night on the p*ss. |
I can't say that I've ever sniffed whiteboard markers long enough to notice the similarity between them and a post-party animal. Then again I seem to be going out about once a month these days so I might no be the best person to ask about nights on the p*ss...
Since reading your post I've been going round my school smelling board markers, much to the bemusement of the teachers, and you're right they don't smell like they used to. A technological advance you could say!
I'm lucky if my wife lets me go out once a month!
| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| There are schools in Krakow that pay well above the figures quoted, but not to people who think the world owes them a living. |
And the school owners who think the world owes them a living pay a pittance.
Yes, I can't defend some owners and some need a serious reality check, but it goes both ways.
| phantombedwetter wrote: |
| Accept you are on a trial period on a basic rate and show everybody what you are worth and if you are getting nowhere this should be obvious after a few weeks. |
Would you agree to a new teacher getting full salary for only working 60 minutes of a 90-minute lesson while he sees if the school is worth working for and the school owner can be trusted? You wouldn't? So why do you expect the same from the other party in the deal? |
Now that comment is a bit silly. |
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Harry from NWE
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| Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| phantombedwetter wrote: |
It's often the case that the owner will approach the teacher in the second semester, ask about their plans for next year and negotiate a new contract.
However, your point is a valid one. |
Agreed. But in my 13 years as a teacher those new contracts were always effective from the start of the next academic year,
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| He was only interested in the highest hourly rate, not training, not promotion, not student development, only a quick buck. Not interview behaviour, I'm sure you'll agree. |
I found it worked quite well for me but then business English schools in Warsaw tend to prefer to employ people who don't want/need training and most of the interviewers prefer people who won't be going after their jobs. It also helped that I'd already done a fair bit of teacher training myself and had experience in school management but made it crystal clear that all I was interested in doing was teaching.
At least in these parts the money is in having as small a back-office staff as practicable and to just pay teachers well for doing a good job.
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| Since reading your post I've been going round my school smelling board markers, much to the bemusement of the teachers |
Could have been worse, you could have been sniffing chalk dust....
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| Yes, I can't defend some owners and some need a serious reality check, but it goes both ways. |
Obviously. I've met some evil b*stards (mainly b*tches actually) who own schools but also met a lot of utter f*ck-up who called themselves teachers.
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| Would you agree to a new teacher getting full salary for only working 60 minutes of a 90-minute lesson while he sees if the school is worth working for and the school owner can be trusted? You wouldn't? So why do you expect the same from the other party in the deal? |
Now that comment is a bit silly. |
Why? You're expecting him to do full work for reduced cash until you decide if you want to employ him. Which would be exactly like him expecting you to give him full cash for doing reduced work while he decides if he wants to be employed by you. |
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phantombedwetter
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Location: Pikey infested, euro, cess-pit (Krakow)
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| Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Harry,
Not reduced cash, just the basic, going rate whatever that is in the city. It seems to me that some teachers want the top whack simply because they feel they deserve it.
This is often the case with the 'Teachers' who have been around Krakow and the schools for some time. The teachers who can do the courses on autopilot and manage to just do enough without getting complaints, but have bad re-sign rates.
In Asia, we called it 'The wow factor' where teachers would do a good job in the classroom and put a bit of extra time in as well for marketing or IT or just ideas. These people doubled their salaries in a year or two and had a far better time than the 'Autopilot, serial boozers and sh*ggers. |
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