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arioch36
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I have found Washburns bureau office visit to be standard.
Office worker, "oh no, we're caught. Let's bury our head in the sand...pressure him to leave our office, and maybe the problem will go away" I find this akin to "When in China, bargain, bargain, bargain." head worker says ... no, i don't think this problem will just disappear, we must try helping
Example.. my wife. She can no longer work to to her health. The company she worked for should have been paying her money for years. Delay delay delay, and maybe she will go away. But she continued to persist, and finally the company said, okay we will give you your money. HAppens ALL THE TIME i China. Took five years. Many waishibans figure the laowai will have to go away eventually, thus can't persist |
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InTime
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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Location: CHINA-at-large
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Yesterday in the bus here in Shanghai...on a main street...a black SUV did a U-turn in the wrong lane/direction...then turned it into a Y turn.
The bus driver shook his head and said something.
I responded: "Hey. This is China!!! Your police are no use!!!"
This got some surprised/spontaneous laughs. As I exited from the open door I concluded:
"In US, that'd cost $200--$300 ticket!" |
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vikuk
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By going to your local PSB office that deals with foreign workers
I'm sure they won't clap you irons if your FEC did turn out to be false - after all you'd be joining the ranks of the brave millions fighting for a lawfull society |
In any practical sense - I would also strongly disagree with trying this  |
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OGFT
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This got some surprised/spontaneous laughs. As I exited from the open door I concluded:
"In US, that'd cost $200--$300 ticket!" |
and this is a good thing? |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: The Visit |
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By going to your local PSB office that deals with foreign workers
I'm sure they won't clap you irons if your FEC did turn out to be false - after all you'd be joining the ranks of the brave millions fighting for a lawfull society |
In any practical sense - I would also strongly disagree with trying this |
I absolutely concur with the above-poster. There is no presumption of innocence here and regardless of all of the look-what-the-P*B-did-for-me messages that might likely turn up on this thread, I actually know very few who have gone this route and who have made progress. Many landed up rather quickly in Korea, or in Hong Kong, or in Macau, or in one case, in Manila. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:38 am Post subject: Re: The Visit |
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| There is no presumption of innocence here and regardless of all of the look-what-the-P*B-did-for-me messages that might likely turn up on this thread, I actually know very few who have gone this route and who have made progress. Many landed up rather quickly in Korea, or in Hong Kong, or in Macau, or in one case, in Manila. |
I assume that you are referring the legal edict in the US 'innocent until proven guilty'. Well the reality is that this is not respected in many countries around the world, not just China. I don't think that this is a secret either so I would question why anyone who believes that this is their natural right would want to live in a country where it is not recognized.
Aside from that there is another western edict that is recognized here just as it is back home and that is 'Ignorance is no defence from the law'. Just because you did not know something was not legal does not make it legal!!
Of course in a case where an employer lies to a teacher then we would all hope that the authorities would recognize this but there are no guarantees. I don't disagree that walking into the PSB and declaring yourself to be an illegal worker is probably not the best thing to do, in fact taking the matter up with the school or SAFEA would be a better option.
All reasons to do your research before you accept a position. |
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lostinasia
Joined: 11 Apr 2007
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| These little MP3 players are wonderful as most have the option to record your voice - as a dictaphone. While I give little credence to verbal agreements in China - they [the recorders] are wonderful to show someones boss what they really said when that person lies and tells the boss they never said such a thing ... I've used it for just that scenario at my last university ... and it was SOOOOO effective - a high university official, a party member doesn't take being lied to by a subordinate very well ... |
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gdfroberts
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[quote="arioch36"]Vikuk
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But if you are technically in the wrong, they are the ones who will fine you, tell you to leave the country, whatever, even if they know it is not your fault. They will say sorry, but...
The various education bureaus, on the other hand, usually try to keep things quiet, maybe because they know that usually it is they, or one of the school they supervise, that has done the wrong, and if sh1t hits the fan, their butts will be grilled. So they will seek to resolve the problem, though not always technically legally, for better worse.
Agree or disagree, did that make any sense?
The PSB, on the other hand, is never wrong. They may try to help, but they are never wrong. I have found them to be pretty consistent in this aspect. (PS I dothink they are willing to help you ... just make sure you are legally here first!) |
I have to agree with this. By talking to friends who also have contacts in the psb, I found out that they did indeed believe that was decieved, but that I was still working illegally, even though I wasn't aware of it, and so had to be deported.
Update: I have been to the Chinese Embassy in London, and have been told that I can't have another visa to go back to China, though they won't say how long I will have to wait. Apparently it is up to the PSB that deported you whether you can have a new visa, and so you mut wait while they contact them for an answer. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003
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Sounds like the experience hasn't turned you bitter. That's good.
One thing I have also noticed about the PSB ... I haven't seen them hold grudges. That is to say, if you get their permission to come back next semester, or perhaps next autumn, you won't be treated badly because of a past problem. Know a lady who was really kicked out of Henan. Years later, and she was actually able to get her green card here.
Maybe this will give you a chance to study Chinese for a year? |
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