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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Salaries in Taiwan Reply with quote

I would love to go to Taiwan, but the thing that's keeping me away is the salaries. What happened? It seems like most places that advertise, and lots of them are recruiters, are now offering about 60,000NT a month. Which makes moving from Korea to Taiwan more difficult. Although I suppose you could argue that in Taiwan you can legally teach privates.

Any signs of the EFL salaries increasing in taiwan?
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Um....I don't think that privates are actually "legal" persay, just basically impossible to stop...nor is teaching in most Kindergartens, also hard to deter....the money train in Taiwan has pulled out of the station, excessive numbers of bushibans, and many teachers accepting wages as is keeps the salary down.

Typically starting salary, regardless of experience elsewhere (only Taiwan experience counts) is about $580-$600/hr in Kaohsiung. In Taipei living expenses are higher, so salary is a bit higher there.

I have some friends who were working here when it was $27NT to the $1CDN...now its at some ridiculous $34NT.

Ah well, I complain now, but I'll go back to the "real world" and end up making less, having a longer work week, and higher living expenses...d'oh
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773



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privates are illegal in Taiwan, but most teachers do them, like in Korea.

Yeah, Taiwan can't really compete with Korean employment packages...employers offer so few benefits that they just can't compare to Korea where you get flights housing, and higher paid privates to boot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But it's got Chinese, mandarin)
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pest2



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got here to TW a little while ago. There is no doubt the job situation here is far far worse. Fewer schools, lower pay, fewer benefits, higher tax... all for more work! (and its not surprising that alot more people in Korea can speak at least a little English).

Still,... after spending a few years in Korea, there are some things about Taiwan that seem quite nice. To me, living in Taiwan seems like a breath of fresh air.. well, ONLY figuratively! Someone else said it on here before, but there are things about Korea that only living in Korea can make you understand and despise. You think you're going to that place to work less and save more, but you actually earn every bit of that added savings merely by being a foreigner living in Korea.

I think the real problem is that teaching English just is a very good job for making money... call it the obvious answer, here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would love to go to Taiwan, but the thing that's keeping me away is the salaries. What happened? It seems like most places that advertise, and lots of them are recruiters, are now offering about 60,000NT a month. Which makes moving from Korea to Taiwan more difficult. Although I suppose you could argue that in Taiwan you can legally teach privates.

Any signs of the EFL salaries increasing in taiwan?


There is no question the salaries/ lack of housing/ lack of free airfare make Taiwan a less lucrative place to teach English than Korea.

I think people who come to Taiwan also tend to be happier and more content with their life than people are in Korea. That's also important! Also, as you mention, if learning Mandarin is important to you then Taiwan/China are the places to focus on.

By the way, Wally is certainly correct. It is also technically illegal to teach privates in Taiwan.
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Typically starting salary, regardless of experience elsewhere (only Taiwan experience counts) is about $580-$600/hr in Kaohsiung. In Taipei living expenses are higher, so salary is a bit higher there.


I definitely agree that living expenses are higher in Taipei, but I'm not sure salaries are. That's not been my experience.
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demaratus



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The highest starting wages (for teaching in a Buxiban) I saw in Taiwan were in Pingtung ($700 nt for a newbie and more for an experienced teacher), but it was an isolated school that was very well managed by an American and his Taiwanese wife. Not near any other schools. Markets with less Buxiban saturation make for better conditions, unfortunately for most people that means living in smaller, less westernized places. This was my experience. I'm sure there are better opportunities in Taipei because of size.

I would want any person considering moving to Taiwan to know that it isn't the best place for making money. Heck for savings, it may not even be top 5 in Asia anymore. But, it affords a quality of life that would be hard to match in many countries, and you can save some money (not what it used to be for sure). People should come to Taiwan for the lifestyle and experience, if money is your motivation, or the strongest motivation you should go to Korea or the gulf. If you want to live in a warm climate, with friendly people/interesting culture and save a little money Taiwan is right for you. Taiwan isn't as fascinating a place as say China, but it is interesting nonetheless. It certainly doesn't have the pristine beaches of Thailand, but it has a respectable beach. It isn't a place to make a tonne of cash like the Middle east, or even pay off debts fast like Korea, but you can save some and enjoy yourself at the same time.
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SanChong



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would want any person considering moving to Taiwan to know that it isn't the best place for making money. Heck for savings, it may not even be top 5 in Asia anymore. But, it affords a quality of life that would be hard to match in many countries, and you can save some money (not what it used to be for sure). People should come to Taiwan for the lifestyle and experience, if money is your motivation, or the strongest motivation you should go to Korea or the gulf. If you want to live in a warm climate, with friendly people/interesting culture and save a little money Taiwan is right for you. Taiwan isn't as fascinating a place as say China, but it is interesting nonetheless. It certainly doesn't have the pristine beaches of Thailand, but it has a respectable beach. It isn't a place to make a tonne of cash like the Middle east, or even pay off debts fast like Korea, but you can save some and enjoy yourself at the same time.


I agree.

And another thing, although this is certainly quite subjective and something I can't prove:
I think the facts you stated above are a big part of why the Western community in Taiwan tends to consist of mostly great people. Sure, there are undesirables here too, but I'd guess not nearly as many as in Korea. A big part of that is motivation in coming to Taiwan vs. Korea. People go to Korea to make money. How many people do you know that are fascinated with Korean culture/really want to learn the language? I've not met one person who fits in that category. Yet, there are a ton of people who feel that way about Chinese culture. Generally, they are going to be people who come to Taiwan to learn the language, respect the culture, etc. Those are the type of people I'd generally prefer to be around while living abroad.

Sure, you can't always tell from this board, because the internet was made for complaining, miserable people. It's like the Divorced Wives Club in the movie Jerry Maquire. You aren't going to find people who believe marriage is a great thing in a club of divorced women. Similarly, the people who love Taiwan are out enjoying their lives. The few people who are unhappy are posting on internet chat board (for the most part. There are clearly notable exceptions like Big Wally and Clark).

There I go turning a positive post into a mixed one! Sorry...!
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SanChong wrote:
"There are clearly notable exceptions like Big Wally and Clark"


Awww...gee Embarassed ...thanks!

I do try to see the good sides of being here....dwelling on the negatives just makes it harder for everyone around you....sure there are things I dont like, and the reality is the pollution is bad, the money ain't as great as it used to be, and the traffic is deadly, but for about 10 months of the year I can wear shorts, the mountains and beaches ain't too far away, I can enjoy some unique culture, and travel through Asia...all this, and like SC said, most of the people I've met here are super chilled-out and laid back folks...

"Money often costs too much." ~Ralph Waldo Emerson
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773



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

demaratus wrote:
The highest starting wages (for teaching in a Buxiban) I saw in Taiwan were in Pingtung ($700 nt for a newbie and more for an experienced teacher), but it was an isolated school that was very well managed by an American and his Taiwanese wife. Not near any other schools. Markets with less Buxiban saturation make for better conditions, unfortunately for most people that means living in smaller, less westernized places. This was my experience. I'm sure there are better opportunities in Taipei because of size.


Actually, I know this school and the owners. The reason they pay higher is because they are hoping to attract more professional teachers. This is the highest paying school in Pingtung in terms of starting salary, to my knowledge.

The owner has his Masters in TESOL and has an awesome setup at the school (computers and projectors in the classrooms, for example, and small class sizes). He tries hard to be as professional as possible and attracts very good students. His school is one of the best ones I know of in Taiwan.

Also, there are plenty of buxibans in Pingtung. The one you mentioned is just one of very many in that area, not isolated by any means. But Pingtung isn't the nicest of cities to live in, and so typical starting salaries tend to be around 600/hr (slightly higher than Kaohsung probably) to attract teachers to go and live there. Wink
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