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arioch36
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MOD EDIT
Well judging how no one here agrees with you, the stickys don't agree with you, and the Chinese embassy website doesn't agree with you, I guess you were talking to yourself?
My guess is you have never actually been to China. Yes?
By the way, as you are a guest here, perhaps you should check out the rules about language. Or continue posting and showing your true character |
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tony lee
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You can never apply experiences in one town or city or province and assume that it will apply anywhere else at any other time so it takes a brave or foolish person to categorically state that something is or is not applicable in China -- with the possible exception of stating that nothing is certain in Chine except uncertainty.
There are two completely separate processes to getting permits to live and work legally in China.
The first is controlled by the provincial education authorities who must process your invitation to teach and certification of satisfying the conditions for foreign expert.
I can't vouch for the situation in Henan Province right now, but 18 months ago, this province decided they needed a signed official contract AND a full medical carried out in your home country before they would issue the invitations.
Then when you get to China and have to jump through more hoops, one hoop is to have another medical before being issued with residence papers. Sometimes, if you were lucky and brought all the medical exam paperwork from home, you might get out of having some of the medical repeated.
As I said, nothing is certain but I wouldn't dismiss reports of having to get a medical back home and about the only advice that would be worthwhile is to apply for a school elsewhere. Saying "they can't do that to you, it's not allowed", or "I didn't have to do that, so tell them to go jump" is probably the most unhelpful advice one could give. |
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PattyFlipper
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| I have been offered a job with a first tier university in Beijing (which I have now decided I am not going to take anyway), and one of their directions was that I should submit the results of a medical examination prior to the issue of the letter of invitation. I was told to contact the Chinese Embassy in my present location and use the hospital mandated by them, so it would seem to be a prerequisite for the visa application process rather than just a requirement of the individual employer. |
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MGreen
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If it's the university that I'm thinking of in Beijing, it's the requirement of the university, not a prerequisite for the visa application. They are still following the old rules, where you needed to get the medical before the visa. The Chinese Embassy in the US still has an old website up (2003) stating the same thing.
I hope you turned down the university because of salary and not their visa process. |
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arioch36
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: |
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| The Chinese Embassy in the US still has an old website up (2003) stating the same thing. |
I have been coming to Henan since 2001 ... from the U.S. First years I tried to accomplish their ridiculous physical form. Went to the visa office, they said give it to your school, we don't want it. Same every year, they have no interest.
If you have your invitation letter, then by all means, call the consulate embassy nearest you.
As far as a college asking you to submit a physical before applying for your invitation letter, guess that's their right (though maybe not legally). Maybe they had a couple people come into country only to be rejected based on the physical, and ten years later they still have a policy of physical first.
The beauty of the new residence permit is that you can enter and leave China as many times as you want, as long as the RP is current. No need for a medical, you are already here as far as any bureau is concerned. So I am at the same school a 3rd year, and what did the new waishiban assistant insist on? A new medical. And I wasn't even leaving the country last summer. Ridiculous  
But my six years of experience here is nothing compared to her one month, and after the third hassle, I said fine, it's your money and 30 yuan taxi ride. ( The fact that thic also provided a free trip to the nearby METRO had nothing to do with me caving in)
The long story is that at some of these waishiban offices, what the real facts are can be totally meaningless, if someone told someone told someone told the waishiban assistant it must be a certain way |
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PattyFlipper
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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| MGreen wrote: |
If it's the university that I'm thinking of in Beijing, it's the requirement of the university, not a prerequisite for the visa application. They are still following the old rules, where you needed to get the medical before the visa. The Chinese Embassy in the US still has an old website up (2003) stating the same thing.
I hope you turned down the university because of salary and not their visa process. |
The position was for teaching law, not English, and wasn't specifically advertised. I have decided to turn it down for a variety of reasons.
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MGreen
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| The top 3 universities in Beijing still follow the old practice of medical before visa. This is regardless of which department/ school/ faculty you apply for. I wasn't referring to a particular ad or position, just a general practice by their people in the HR department. |
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PattyFlipper
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| Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| MGreen wrote: |
| The top 3 universities in Beijing still follow the old practice of medical before visa. This is regardless of which department/ school/ faculty you apply for. I wasn't referring to a particular ad or position, just a general practice by their people in the HR department. |
I don't think this particular university is top three. It is apparently number one for law, however. They may well still be following the old system. I have written to them for clarification of why they require a medical examination before they will issue the letter of invitation. |
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jeffinflorida
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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I am fininishing my first semester at this uni, The next one starts at the end of Febuary.
Last week I had to go for a med exam. It was at a government hospital that was a state of the art place and did numerious tests including some high end ones. Ultrasound, EKG, Blood / urine and several more. All the equiptment was truly new and state of the art.
The school paid for it but even if they did not the cost was not large.
361 rmb.
And the results showed some things I new I had from tests done in the USA. Kidney stone, cyst on the kidney, and fat on the liver. Exact results from my last ultrasound in the USA. |
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fitzgud
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| I am sure it was a very good hospital to take the urine out of you Jeff |
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jwbhomer
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| My experience parallels Jeff's. I would say if...IF...you can get a free physical at a clean and modern hospital, go for it! But I wouldn't have it done in my home country and pay for it myself. I don't think that's the normal practice in China. My understanding of the normal practice is pretty much what everyone (except one person) has said here. |
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PattyFlipper
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I have just received the following email in response to my query as to why the University requires a medical examination before issuing the invitation letter:
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| The medical examination is required in the application for the working permit and residence permit. It can be taken either in China or overseas. If you want to take it after you arrive in Beijing, you'd better write me a letter saying that you will take a risk of not meeting the medical requirement. Then i will submit a letter in the apllication report saying you will take the medical examination in Beijing. |
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It seems that MGreen and other posters on this thread were spot on with their analysis. |
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7969
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The stickies, and atriochs shatty advice arent with the times.. There are still people here that advise folks to come on a tourist visa.
You do your medical examination before you come to China. If you come to China and do the medical, sure, you will save a buck, but if you have high blood pressure or fail the exam cause you had a one nighter with atrioch and caught herpes - its your dime to come back and you wont be reimbursed by the school.
Any reputable visa agent will tell you that. The best place to ask is the Chinese consulate, not some stranger on a ESL forum who hasn't left the country in a few years. |
i dont think visa agents and consulates will be able to shed any light on this issue. their primary purpose (in the context of this thread) is to obtain/issue visas to prospective travellers to china. i wouldnt rely on either of these two places to advise me on procedures for taking a medical exam for employment - the where, the why and the how. |
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vikuk
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| i dont think visa agents and consulates will be able to shed any light on this issue. their primary purpose (in the context of this thread) is to obtain/issue visas to prospective travellers to china. i wouldnt rely on either of these two places to advise me on procedures for taking a medical exam for employment - the where, the why and the how. |
Those of us who are in China, and have long term China experience know about the practical reality concerning apparent local variation in applying certain rules and regulations. Variations, which are so hard to follow that consulates, visa agents etc etc may have no idea of their existence!!!!
With this in mind I would fully back up the quoted statement - and would advise many travelers to be very suspicious of certain visa agents who's agenda maybe more profit rather than service minded  |
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7969
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| i dont think visa agents and consulates will be able to shed any light on this issue. their primary purpose (in the context of this thread) is to obtain/issue visas to prospective travellers to china. i wouldnt rely on either of these two places to advise me on procedures for taking a medical exam for employment - the where, the why and the how. |
Those of us who are in China, and have long term China experience know about the practical reality concerning apparent local variation in applying certain rules and regulations. Variations, which are so hard to follow that consulates, visa agents etc etc may have no idea of their existence!!!!
With this in mind I would fully back up the quoted statement - and would advise many travelers to be very suspicious of certain visa agents who's agenda maybe more profit rather than service minded |
agreed.
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| So if I understand what you are saying correcty, you'd ask people to take the word of a backpacker in teachers clothes, instead of the entry and exit professionals who make it possible for thousands of people travelling to China for all manner of purpose and who have their finger on the pulse of all manner of changes in regulation, forms and protocol.. Of course you would.. MOD EDIT. |
1. visa agents in HK (many of them at least, i wont say all) cant get a Z visa for you. if the agents in HK cant get it, then its unlikely any agent anywhere can get it. so they wont be able to answer questions on medicals.
2. like many others here, i've had experiences in lots of foreign consulates in different places. consulates are often staffed with people in the category of motivationally challenged. when applying for a visa its best to just fill out your application form, hand over the cash and get your visa. asking questions about when and where a medical should be taken is likely going to result in a lot of head shaking.
but feel free to take your chances on those "entry and exit professionals" staffing foreign consulates and visa agencies abroad. i'll stick to the experiences of some on this forum. |
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