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Wahoo
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:13 am Post subject: Job hunt - in person or online? |
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I'm getting ready to head for Taiwan.
Is it common to find your first job online, get the paperwork done and then just arrive in Taiwan and start work? A lot of people seem to recommend going and looking for a job in person; I can see how this is good, but it would eat up a lot of funds, especially if the job you find doesn't start right away. And, who pays for your visa run? I once spent a small fortune doing it this way in another country.
With a bit of caution and common sense, would it be ok to go the online route? Experienced Taiwan teachers, please advise me! |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
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Why not take the middle ground and thereby hedge your risks?
The risk of taking a job before you come is that you could end up signing a one year contract somewhere that you find out on arrival you don't really want to be.
The risk of arriving without a job lined up is that you may not find anything quickly and thereby burn through a lot of cash and have to do a visa run.
So why not line up some possibilities before you come. The school makes no commitment to you by not getting your work permit before you come, and you make no commitment to them by being willing to check them out when you arrive. Set up some interview times spread over a few days with a few different places.
Then arrive one week earlier than you tell them and spend that week on the ground seeing if you can find any alternatives.
Go with the best offer and the one that you think is going to be the one that you are happy with! |
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SanChong
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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I agree with Clark.
If you find a job which matches everything you are looking for before you leave your home country AND you get in direct contact with a teacher at the school, you also may want to sign a contract before you come, as the position may not be available when you arrive. You'd have to be sure though, or you could be leaving people in the lurch if you change your mind.
It's all a matter of what you feel most comfortable with. Different approaches work best for different people. |
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cspitzig
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:52 am Post subject: |
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| How does one get in contact with a teacher at a school? I was planning on posting here, and hoping someone was/is working there. Are there other methods of contact, other than being lucky enough to run into people on TEFL websites? |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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| contact a school you're interested in working in, and ask them if they will supply you with a name of one of their teachers whom you could ask some questions |
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SanChong
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| contact a school you're interested in working in, and ask them if they will supply you with a name of one of their teachers whom you could ask some questions |
Exactly. Any good agent or school would WANT you to contact teachers at the school before you arrive. It's the best way to be sure whether or not it's really a good fit for you. Only an agent which doesn't care about you, or knows the school has something to hide would try and prevent you from contacting a teacher at the school.
Actually, if they even hesitate in giving you contact information, then you already have your answer about the school!! |
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Wahoo
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 17
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| Another question: is there any point trying to line up a job a few months in advance? Or do they usually hire on a just-in-time basis? In a certain other country, I sent resumes to all the schools 2-3 months prior to my intended start date, and heard nothing back from most of them til months later, after I'd already found a job. |
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Wahoo
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Another question: is there any point trying to line up a job a few months in advance? Or do they usually hire on a just-in-time basis? In a certain other country, I sent resumes to all the schools 2-3 months prior to my intended start date, and heard nothing back from most of them til months later, after I'd already found a job. |
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BigWally

Joined: 07 Jun 2006 Posts: 765 Location: Ottawa, CAN (prev. Kaohsiung "the Dirty South")
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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well organized schools will usually start the hiring process months in advance, because it usually takes a while to do: 1) interviews via phone overseas 2) applying for work visas 3) sending paperwork back and forth from one country to another
if a school is desperate they may have to hire last minute, regardless of quality, but you should always ask to speak to a current teacher to find out what the situation is. ask how long the teacher you're replacing was there for. ask why they left. ask about the pay, and hours. ask lots of questions. if they dont want to be forthcoming with answers, then you might want to ask why. |
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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well organized schools will usually start the hiring process months in advance, because it usually takes a while to do: 1) interviews via phone overseas 2) applying for work visas 3) sending paperwork back and forth from one country to another
if a school is desperate they may have to hire last minute, regardless of quality, but you should always ask to speak to a current teacher to find out what the situation is. ask how long the teacher you're replacing was there for. ask why they left. ask about the pay, and hours. ask lots of questions. if they dont want to be forthcoming with answers, then you might want to ask why. |
I 2nd, 3rd and 4th that advice!
When dealing with any school, these are the questions I would ask (there are plenty more, but these are the most important):
1) Can I speak to a current teacher at the school (via email or phone)?
If the answer to this question is "no" then don't bother going to the next step!
2) How long have teachers stayed at your school? If the answer to this is 2+ years or longer, then things are starting to looking good. A good follow up question to this is: Why is the current teacher leaving? Did they complete their contract?
3) Do you provide an ARC and Health Insurance? (this is a MUST and it's illegal NOT to provide this, yet many schools don't)
4) Will you pick me up from the airport and help me find an apartment? (this is important, especially if you aren't living right in a major city)
5) Will I have be working all at the same branch, or at a bunch of different branches? It's generally not desirable to run from school to school! You should always aim for a job which has you working at one branch, or two branches near each other.
6) Does the school have a good training program? Will I be provided with good professional development opportunities? In Taiwan, this doesn't exist very often, but there are different degrees of poor training! It definitely helps to be at a school which provides you with some training.
7) How many other teachers work at the branch? This is something to consider. It can make for a harder adjustment if you are the only Native English speaking teacher at your branch.
Hope that helps someone!
As Wally said (and I've been saying for a few years now), the more organized schools will want to hire you from overseas. It used to be different and better to just "show up". The market is changing and I, for one, think it's a bit dangerous to just show up in a country without a job. Many of the good jobs are gone and it's also technically illegal to be doing demos. Some people who have been here for a long time remember how things used to be and feel differently.... I remember when Ace of Base and Color Me Badd were awesome bands in the mid-90's, but things change...
Apply to a bunch of different places. Use places like Dewey and Reach To Teach and ask them all of the questions above. Then make your own decision. |
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Wahoo
Joined: 27 Dec 2007 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks. I've been trying to figure out the logistics of it all; going to Taiwan for a week of jobseeking, then flying out, organising a visa, flying back in, lots of hotels and taxis... I figure I'll do it online and just be as careful as possible. |
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