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[martinwolff23]

Delter recruits teachers under false pretenses by promising to provide a TEFL certificate, which is nothing more than a paper that says you taught 500 hours...not a recognizable TEFL certificate as Bing leads people to believe on the website. The pay is atrocious and it's a profit only school with no concern for quality. You will work weekends, evenings, summers and only have 3 days holiday for Spring festival. Bing will e-mail you daily and promise you the moon, til you get to China, then you will never hear from him again and the people you interact with everyday will know nothing of his promises. Anyone out there been through the Delter / Bing experience? If so, confirm what I say to warn others from the same fate.

[Mydnight]

Sounds like every training center/language mill I've seen so far in China. Just because they treated you badly doesn't mean you have to deal with them. I'd be out the door at the first hint of only 3 days for Spring Festival. Most sweatshop factory workers get more than 3 days...

[kev7161]

People, people, people . . . I don't know who this Bing person is, but save those damned emails! Make sure you connect directly to your future workplace via "Bing" (or whomever). On your first day, try to make sure Bing will be there while you check in to your new school. Show those printed-off emails that you diligently saved and make sure all the things you agree upon are covered. Sure, not everything is going to be cake around here, but come prepared for battle - - it's all you can do.

[Nemesis]

[kev7161]

[william wallace]

Bing is the ...owner of many schools, and other business dealiings;I don't know why he still bothers to do even the wee bit that he does. He's a multi-millionaire many times over-He and June should fly off and live in the south of France.He's actually a nice guy, though he does seem to blur fact and fiction.

[martinwolff23]

In reply to some responses to my original post, I can only say they are naive. "Move on"...easy to say; lose nonrefundable airfare...where will you find housing as you "move on"...why should I pay because of Bing's intentional deception? Another reply said "save the e-mails"...well...what good does it do? Bing hides! People have been at Delter 2 years and have never seen him! The only reason anyone ever even re-signs a second year with Delter is because they've found a 'girlfriend'...then by the close of their second tour of duty they can't take it anymore even with a main squeeze. Also, someone tried to fax copies of Bing's e-mails to govt officials and Bing's lawyer said it is impossible to prove the e-mails are originals...they could've been modified.

So, instead of saying chalk it up to experience and lose money because of intentional deception...why not warn others from the same fate? If he can't get anyone to work for him, he'll go to the South of France where he belongs. Why let him keep screwing people over and over and over?

[Kram]

[brsmith15]

The latest report (April 2008) I have from an insider is that the schools now employ mostly non-native speakers (Russians, Phillipinos, Mexicans -- "teachers" who can't get jobs anywhere else)) and much of the students (Low-IQ kids who can't get into any other schools) taking upper-level courses like Marketing can't understand English at all. Few come to class and if a teacher fails a student, the school simply changes the grade. Pay is about the worst in town and the teacher accommodations are places you wouldn't house your pet rat.

Sound like a place you'd like to work?

Oh, assume there is no Bing just like there was no Big Brother in Orwell's "1984."

[ralph wiggim]

Anyone have new insight on Delter?

Still in business?

Still shody?

Anyone experience? God? Bad? Ugly?

[brsmith15]

My take is that Bing finally sold out, got a pcoketful of cash and is now out of the picture along with some of his more dishonest cronies. I don't know what this means. I'm sure the new owners were shown false financial statements because I know for a fact that the SH operation kept several sets of books: one for the tax people showing they paid their taxes (which they never did), one for his partners showing lower profits, one for him and his doxy. Because the Dragon Lady, aka Qian, skimmed hundreds of thousands from the SH operation, I don't know how that was shown in the accounting records, if at all.

When I joined them in 1999, they were a fine place to work. As the years ground on, everything fell into a deep hole. Peter Johnston, Bing's flunkie, put Chinese managers in charge of each school reducing the DOS's to nothing more than schedulers. They picked the absolute worst clowns they could find. Pay stayed the same; classes were overloaded and hours increaded; teachers lied to and blamed for everything that went wrong; apartments fell into disrepair; qualified business instructors were forced to teach beginning English courses, something they had no background in doing. The reverse was also true: Unqualified, uneducated people with no business experience were given higher level business courses.

The new owners have said they'll make changes, but I have my doubts. Changes cost money and the owners are, after all, Chinese.

[ralph wiggim]

[arioch36]

[william wallace]

Bing will likely be selling this business very very soon.You don't see him often/seldom seen ? Cuz he is semi retired,and quite well off. Delter was supposed to be called Delta,but the Beijing accent fudged the name.I've known about them since their inception in 1996.
In 1996 the salary was 2000 RMB a month at 40 hours a week.

[brsmith15]

William, he's already sold it and they have a new website at www.delter.com.cn. It's now only in Chinese, but they're working on an English version.