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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 7:15 am    Post subject: Re: Alghad Schools |   |  
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	  | The dance video?!  Combine drunkeness with dancing in a Sharjah classroom.  It was in all the newspapers - the kids recorded the 'entertainment' on their mobiles.  2 landed in jail and a third was in B-I-G trouble.
 
 HCT does the HR function of Alghad only if and when the work is passed on to them.  It continues to be 'shoddy' because people did not have their Visas organized and consequently do not yet have their Passports back.  Too bad for those who wanted to travel for the Holiday Season.  As I said previously, monthly pays are still an issue, i.e., people don't get paid for up to 2 - 3 weeks after they should have been.
 
 Many employed by HCT to work on the Alghad HR matters have come and gone - low pay and incompetency have been the reasons.
 
 wannago is believing all that's said by those at the top who seek to 'deflame', but the facts remain - people have not received the promises made to them and I don't mean the realities they were made aware of at interview stage.
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 Wow.  Where do I begin?
 
 OK, let's talk about this Sharjah "dance" video.  Having talked directly to the teacher mentioned in the story, I feel I can comment on this with some sort of authority...but, I admit, I wasn't there.  I have seen the video, however.  I know of no students being jailed....more like suspended for a couple of days.  I can say with 100% certaintity that there was no drunkeness on the part of the teacher and they most certainly did NOT order the students to perform the dance.  It was more of a reward, albeit a poor choice, for a productive class period.  The students had been asking to show him the dance, so he watched during the last minutes of the period...and he certainly didn't appear to be laughing and clapping. The teacher was not only suspended, he was deported.  But, we all know a thorough investigation into the student allegations of the teacher being drunk in class was conducted and the teacher most certainly was guilty.
 
 Oh, by the way, did I mention the teacher is NOT Australian? Oh well, facts just get in the way of a good story I suppose.
 
 As far as HCT doing the HR work for Alghad...they were contracted to do all of it...but fell far short of the mark, especially early on.  If you want to apologize for them....go for it.  I would say incompetency was more the cause than low pay...but that's just an opinion.
 
 I have no idea what "promises" Zoot is referring to, but if people are still not being paid on time (I don't know anyone like this, but maybe there are some) then it is an HCT issue.  I have no contact with those at the top...perhaps Zoot has a personal axe to grind with someone at the top of alghad.  That would answer a lot of questions about the posts he/she/it puts out about the program.
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		| Zoot 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject: Alghad Schools |   |  
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				| Are you  down on Australians, wannago, or defending them?  No-one has mentioned any nationality involved that I can see from the thread.  No-one accused students of drinking in the classroom either. 
 The important point about this website is to make contributions that are constructive, then it really doesn't matter who's at 'the top' or what 'nationality' they are as you seem to consider relative.  When the truth is made known for all nationalities to read and use when contemplating work in the middle-east, people cam make informed judgements.  Wouldn't you say?  Sadly, since joining this thread, your wild guesses have led to quite a lot of misguided statements being made.
 
 Let's stick to the facts, I say, and not pick on or defend any particular nationality!
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I see a lack of careful reading here.  wannago did not make any criticism of Australians.  He just pointed out that he had spoken directly to the teacher involved and - if one had read the link provided on the previous page to the article about the case - and pointed out that the teacher was in fact, not Australian, as was stated in the article.  Nowhere did he mention anything about student's drinking - and nowhere but your post was there any mention of anyone being 'jailed' - certainly not in the article. 
 I suspect that wannago's version of the story, rather than the trumped up gossip version that normally rushes through the UAE grapevine and often gets printed in the paper, is probably much closer to what actually happened.
 
 Another case of a teacher not totally aware of cultural norms and allowing the students to talk him/her into doing something that would have been fine back in whatever country s/he is from, but not in the Gulf.
 
 VS
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		| wannago 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:21 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Exactly VS 
 I don't know how to help people prepare for teaching here.  My first stint in the ME was a real eye-opener, to say the least.
 
 This guy did something that was mild in comparison with some things I have seen.  I guess its because this got media attention that things were so over blown.
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		| Zoot 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject: Al Ghad Schools |   |  
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				| Ahhh!  This makes me think there were two individual incidents afterall - something I'd put down to the UAE gossip grapevine!  One that made the papers and another that didn't. 
 No matter whether there were one or two of these incidents, 'wannag's' approach has made certain to deflect the attention away from the performance of Al Ghad - the original reason for this thread's beginning - and onto an individual/s.
 
 My guess is that 'wannago' has a stake in the public projection of that company.
 
 Who would leave HCT, the UAE University, the American University of Sharjah or the Emirates National School for Al Ghad, wannago?  No-one not even for the money involved.
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Al Ghad Schools |   |  
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	  | Zoot wrote: |  
	  | Ahhh!  This makes me think there were two individual incidents afterall - something I'd put down to the UAE gossip grapevine!  One that made the papers and another that didn't. 
 No matter whether there were one or two of these incidents, 'wannag's' approach has made certain to deflect the attention away from the performance of Al Ghad - the original reason for this thread's beginning - and onto an individual/s.
 
 My guess is that 'wannago' has a stake in the public projection of that company.
 
 Who would leave HCT, the UAE University, the American University of Sharjah or the Emirates National School for Al Ghad, wannago?  No-one not even for the money involved.
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 OK, Zoot, tell me:  What is the performance of Al Ghad?  Give me some hard data not your "well-known facts" or more rumors.  If I had a such a big stake in the projection of the program (its not a company), I certainly would be doing more than coming to this sparsely visited board.  You are/were wrong and I called you on it.  That's all.
 
 Now, my guess is that 'Zoot' has a stake in the public projection of HCT who did a dismal job of HR mangement at the start of the Al Ghad program.  To be fair, I've heard they're doing better, but 'Zoot' seems to hold them in much higher regard.
 
 I don't know who would leave those institutions, Zoot.  If they are happy where they are, then they probably wouldn't leave for the little more money that Al Ghad offers.  The big difference is that Al Ghad is working in the public schools where there are a multitude of problems, to say the least.
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		| ajnabiya 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Can you all just pause the mud slinging for one minute and please answer a simple question. Try...it's easier than you think....
 
 Have Al-Ghad suspended/frozen recruiting new teachers? I applied for a position over a month ago and my application is still in review...I thought it might just be typical Gulf incompetence...but amongst the bit&*ing on this thread someone mentions a freeze.
 
 Oh and VS....have you noticed that you have posted over 5000 comments on this forum....I really think you should find something else to do...maybe talk to real people face to face in the same geographical area as you...which I might add is not the Middle East anymore....I've got it, you should collate all your 5000 comments and posts and publish them as your memoirs...it would mean that only people interested in your opinions, advice and suggestions would have to read them.
 
 So current teachers IN THE MIDDLE EAST, please if you have the time in your busy schedules of babysitting adults, drinking yourself into a stupor and bemoaning being in a place you voluntarily remain in, answer my question
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		| veiledsentiments 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| ya ejnabiya... Ms foreigner... 
 First you complain because of two posters attacking each other ... then you stick your nose in my business?  Really child, what I do with my time is NOFB.
 
 And then you proceed to insult anyone who bothers to answer your questions before they have even posted.
  I'm sure that everyone will jump to provide such a polite person as you with your demanded information. 
 VS
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | ajnabiya wrote: |  
	  | Can you all just pause the mud slinging for one minute and please answer a simple question. Try...it's easier than you think....
 
 Have Al-Ghad suspended/frozen recruiting new teachers? I applied for a position over a month ago and my application is still in review...I thought it might just be typical Gulf incompetence...but amongst the bit&*ing on this thread someone mentions a freeze.
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 I've got a great idea.  Since obviously no one here is Al-Ghad administration, why don't you try asking Al-Ghad?
 Try...it's easier than you think....
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