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desert date



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:40 pm    Post subject: Learning Arabic in country Reply with quote

I'm taking a year off from my job with effect from July next year and intend to spend my belated gap year in the Mid East learning Arabic and travelling aound the region in between courses.

Any recommendations for Arabic language schools in Egypt, Syria, Lebanon or even Yemen?

Eid Mubarak!
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Dedicated



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:18 am    Post subject: Learning Arabic Reply with quote

I'm based at a UK university, and students studying Arabic are sent abroad for a year. They used to go to MECAS (Middle East Centre for Arabic Studies) in Shemlan, Lebanon, which became world famous, but I suspect may have closed due to civil strife. But check it out.

Now they seem to go to the French Institute (IFPO) in Damascus, but these are the most expensive classes in Syria, but undoubtedly offer the best facilities and teaching. Last year, from October to June, the cost was about 3,000 Euros for 3 hours a day, 5 days a week. They have a summer programme in July for 700 Euros.

In Damascus, there is the Arabic Teaching Institute for Foreigners (the Ma'had) which offers classes November to May for $400 dollars, then summer, June to September $300.

I don't know which passport you have, but getting a visa in the current troubled times is problematic. However, students who study in Syria, where little English is spoken, come back very fluent and delighted with the country. Hope this helps a bit.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i second what dedicated says. damascus is a great place for a year or so. its safe, very attractive with a fantastic old city. compared to countries in the gulf, it has a pretty affordable cost of living, alto it is rising due to influx of iraqi 'refugees'.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you put 'refugees' in quotation marks, Basil?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why do you put 'refugees' in quotation marks, Basil?


Stephen
While it's certainly true that many iraqis have fled due to fear, there are also some, I believe, who have left for economic reasons. It is clearly very difficult for the Syrian authorities to differentiate. Once inside Syria and having been accepted, many Iraqis are quick to start up businesses in Syria with funds brought from their country.
Don't get me wrong, I sympathise with all those who have fled but I don't think we can blanket them all with having the same motivation i.e. fear which I think is the commonly understood motivation for turning to apply for refugee status e.g fear of religious or racial persecution). Personally, I don't accept the term 'economic refugee' but rather 'economic migrant'.
Correct me if I am wrong, tho. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Dedicated mentioned, I know of many students based in US universities that study at American University of Cairo. You should check out this blog: http://wanderingjordan.blogspot.com/ He may be able to give you some advice for learning arabic in Cairo.

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AUC has an established AFL department and students come from all over the world. When I was getting my MA there, a group of about 20 Japanese men arrived. But, I suspect that it is pricey.

One advantage that Cairo has is that so many Egyptians seem very comfortable with Arabic learners and even simplify/slow their speech to help you along. But, many people feel that Syrian Arabic is a more prestigious dialect to speak.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damascene Arabic or Cairene ? Depends on who you want to sound like - Michel Aflaq or Adel Imam !

As for the school at Shemlan in Lebanon, it closed years ago. Despite (or maybe because of) its links with spooks in Whitehall it was a good school.
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desert date



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm leaning towards Syria at the moment. The French Institute is out as they don't take absolute beginners. The Ma'had and Damascus University seem to be viable options. I've been to Cairo and liked it there but the fees at the AUC are way too steep. VS, is AUC where all the rich kids go? It appears to be a posh set up.

Dedicated, I'm Australian.

Cheers for the suggestions - keep 'em coming.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IH Cairo (ILI) also offer Arabic for foreigners. As it's not a university, maybe it's cheaper...

http://www.arabicegypt.com/index.php
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

desert date wrote:
I'm leaning towards Syria at the moment. The French Institute is out as they don't take absolute beginners. The Ma'had and Damascus University seem to be viable options. I've been to Cairo and liked it there but the fees at the AUC are way too steep. VS, is AUC where all the rich kids go? It appears to be a posh set up.

Sorry... I missed this message. Yes, AUC is where the rich Egyptians study although they provide many scholarships to needy students based on their academic scores. I don't know that I would describe it as 'posh' but all is relative. Laughing They will be moving to a fancy new campus soon.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Arabic Language Centers Reply with quote

I started at the Arabic Language Center at the University of Jordan in Amman. I switched to the Arabic Language center in Alexandria, Egypt, which I found to be a much more pleasant environment compared with Amman, which I found to be a concrete jungle with few redeeming features.

The tuition fees at both places were very reasonable and much cheaper than the American University in Beirut, Lebanon, which was my third choice. But the quality of life in Beirut, if you have cash, far surpasses that in Jordan and Egypt, in my opinion. Lebanon is a breath of air in the Arab world, and the mix of Muslim and Christians was stimulating at the time, but this was in 1996, long before the problems in Lebanon which happened two years ago. Of all the Arab people, I find the Lebanese to be the most pleasant (generally) to get along with. Many Lebanese Christians, told me in fact that they are not 'Arabs' but Phoenicians, descendants of the Greeks and other sea faring peoples. Lebanon is a bi-cultural type country, untypical in the region, but Syria also has some of that, with many Christians giving Damascus, Homs and Aleppo a different feel.

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not Arabs... yeah, they say that because many (most?) residents of the Levant or North African define the term differently than we do. They consider Arabs to those that live on the Arabian Peninsula, while in English the term Arab means someone whose first language is Arabic and lives in the Middle East - whatever borders one uses that term to cover. Both Christian and Muslim Egyptians were also always telling me that they weren't "Arabs" either.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Many Lebanese Christians, told me in fact that they are not 'Arabs' but Phoenicians, descendants of the Greeks and other sea faring peoples.


This of course, is pure nonsense, not dissimilar to the ahistorical tripe spouted by those Egyptians (mostly Copts) who consider themselves the direct heirs of the Pharaohs, or the Greeks who insist they are the descendants of Aristotle and Sophocles. The fact is, religion has no bearing on ethnicity in the ME, so the Maronites are no more or less "Phoenician" than the Shia or Sunni Lebanese. It seems to me just a manifestation of the pretentiousness of so many (by no means all) Lebanese: they would love to be known for their 'sophisticated' (ie sleazy) nightlife and "Westernised" (ie hopelessly derivative) "culture", yet have to settle for being famous mainly for persistent civil strife - as well as for producing the only coherent resistant movement yet to emerge in the contemporary Middle East.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am surprised that no one has mentioned
The Bourguiba Institute of Modern Languages
University of Tunis
47 Avenue de la Liberte
1002 Tunis

Of course they are really Carthaginians - not Arabs !
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