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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:12 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If one knows of someone with fewer qualifications and years taught making more money, one can go to the HR person at the college to renegotiate one's salary. One of my colleagues has done so with positive results. The catch is that one has to be persistent/brave enough to ask people about their qualifications and years taught� and how much money they are making. Few would feel comfortable doing that. |  
 And hopefully few would be stupid enough to respond if asked.
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		| Umm Banat 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| This is certainly true. Teachers in the shortage subjects are coming in with very nice offers. Still turning them down though - recruitment gets tougher each semester. Teachers on much less money,  with more experience and skills are getting very fed up.
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		| wannago 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:23 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If one knows of someone with fewer qualifications and years taught making more money, one can go to the HR person at the college to renegotiate one's salary. One of my colleagues has done so with positive results. The catch is that one has to be persistent/brave enough to ask people about their qualifications and years taught� and how much money they are making. Few would feel comfortable doing that. |  
 And hopefully few would be stupid enough to respond if asked.
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 You and I both know that, if someone has a higher salary than their colleagues, the anger is not only directed at the employer, but also the person with the higher salary.  Why would anyone respond to the question if they were going to be treated like dirt because they got a favorable contract?
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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If one knows of someone with fewer qualifications and years taught making more money, one can go to the HR person at the college to renegotiate one's salary. One of my colleagues has done so with positive results. The catch is that one has to be persistent/brave enough to ask people about their qualifications and years taught� and how much money they are making. Few would feel comfortable doing that. |  
 And hopefully few would be stupid enough to respond if asked.
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 You and I both know that, if someone has a higher salary than their colleagues, the anger is not only directed at the employer, but also the person with the higher salary.  Why would anyone respond to the question if they were going to be treated like dirt because they got a favorable contract?
 |  Well, some are capable of behaving with more maturity than to 'treat like dirt' subsequent hires who luck in on a better contract.  Self-restraint and a sense of perspective.  I suppose there might be others who decide to 'punish' new hires in various ways...
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		| wannago 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:51 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | If one knows of someone with fewer qualifications and years taught making more money, one can go to the HR person at the college to renegotiate one's salary. One of my colleagues has done so with positive results. The catch is that one has to be persistent/brave enough to ask people about their qualifications and years taught� and how much money they are making. Few would feel comfortable doing that. |  
 And hopefully few would be stupid enough to respond if asked.
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 You and I both know that, if someone has a higher salary than their colleagues, the anger is not only directed at the employer, but also the person with the higher salary.  Why would anyone respond to the question if they were going to be treated like dirt because they got a favorable contract?
 |  Well, some are capable of behaving with more maturity than to 'treat like dirt' subsequent hires who luck in on a better contract.  Self-restraint and a sense of perspective.  I suppose there might be others who decide to 'punish' new hires in various ways...
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 Oh, I agree...not everyone reacts with hostility.  Perhaps it would have been better to say that a person should be selective about who they share their employment package information with to avoid the "gang mentality" that I have seen so often.  Jealousy can be a powerful emotion, especially when stoked by others who are not happy...
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		| al bidarnd 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | The word is that new hires with no real experience are being offered 15000+ at DWC and the AD colleges due to recruitment difficulties.  If true, there should be some ineteresting times ahead. |  
 I guess what this means is anyone who is thinking of applying for a job at hct now knows what they can ask for - 15,000 Dhs a month if they have a few quals and little experience, a few thousand more if they've a well-endowed resume
 
 it also means there'll be lots of well-qualified and experienced HCTers who have put in a lot of work on committees, attended countless meetings and taken on various positions of responsibility, etc, and who are now onto their second contract (or more) but who suddenly find themselves junior in pay to less well-endowed new hires - an interesting muddle.
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		| bje 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:10 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | The word is that new hires with no real experience are being offered 15000+ at DWC and the AD colleges due to recruitment difficulties.  If true, there should be some ineteresting times ahead. |  
 I guess what this means is anyone who is thinking of applying for a job at hct now knows what they can ask for - 15,000 Dhs a month if they have a few quals and little experience, a few thousand more if they've a well-endowed resume
 
 it also means there'll be lots of well-qualified and experienced HCTers who have put in a lot of work on committees, attended countless meetings and taken on various positions of responsibility, etc, and who are now onto their second contract (or more) but who suddenly find themselves junior in pay to less well-endowed new hires - an interesting muddle.
 |  Seems like it's set to cause more HR problems...based on what friends tell me, good teachers up for renewal this month (who like working at the HCT) simply won't be ticking the 'contract renewal' box, as a result of the situation you've described, al bidarnd.  Others think they'll leave a bit later for greener pastures in Doha etc.
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		| ckhl 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| it also means there'll be lots of well-qualified and experienced HCTers who have put in a lot of work on committees, attended countless meetings and taken on various positions of responsibility, etc, and who are now onto their second contract (or more) but who suddenly find themselves junior in pay to less well-endowed new hires - an interesting muddle. 
 don't tell me that you fell and got suckered into this track.  You could have got away with doing much less.  Now tell me you didn't do it only for the renewal.  You were so keen, so ....dedicated..
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		| johnslat 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Inflation |   |  
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				| Here's something I received from a friend (and ex-colleague): 
 "One of the hottest conversation topics this fall has been the rapidly spiraling costs. Since the government announced that the salaries of UAE government employees were going up 70%, on top of often already phenomenal salaries, rents and food prices have been going through the roof. I have never seen crazy inflation like this before. In late 2007, next-door Saudi Arabia culled a lot of fowl because of bird flu threats, which would explain some of the rise in chicken + egg prices here. But everything else (dairy, meat, flour, vegetables, fruits, etc.) is also increasing in price at a phenomenal rate. It's not like prices have gone up since last year�... it's more like prices have gone up since last week. Seems like nothing has been spared an increase...except, for many, salaries. More and more people are talking about moving back to their home countries because they can no longer save much here, one of the primary reasons for working in the UAE.
 
 As Dubai and Abu Dhabi become more expensive to live in, people are moving to Al Ain, 1� hours away from either city, because rents are relatively cheaper here. This comes just after the Buraimi (Oman) border tightened up, resulting in people who were working in Al Ain but living in Buraimi to relocate in Al Ain. Result: increasing rents in Al Ain. So, while I was initially happy to receive an increase in my housing allowance last year, that increase doesn't mean much now."
 
 
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 John
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		| mishmumkin 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:37 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | The word is that new hires with no real experience are being offered 15000+ at DWC and the AD colleges due to recruitment difficulties. If true, there should be some ineteresting times ahead. |  
 It's interesting....a friend of mine in DMC says the rumour is that people in the AD colleges are starting at 15,300. Makes me wonder what the people are saying AD colleges about Dubai!
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		| Arab Strap 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| So Elie Night, today's the big day for you HCTers.................did they make the big announcement and if so how much did you get? 
 OR are breaths still being held and if so for how long?
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		| tmac-100 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| I wonder if the "meeting" was postponed - due to George Bush's visit to the UAE. Yesterday AD was pretty well closed and now the same has happened to Dubai today. 
 Where was the meeting to have been held? Our Director has been quite visible here yesterday and today..
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		| uaeobserver 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:38 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| The 70% announcement really just amounts to adjustments in the federal salary scale for expatriates. 
 Higher education staff aren't generally on the federal salary scale --- and really -- should be grateful they aren't.
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		| helenl 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:32 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Word on the HCT street is that the VC is not in UAE right now.  That would indicate no decision has yet been made - or at least, is not yet for public consumption. |  | 
	
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		| colt 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| From what I've heard, this decision was made weeks ago. 
 Now, they just  have to get the stars in alignment to make the announcement.
 
 That would require the VC to be on deck.
 
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