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Kootvela



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: Lithuania

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Depends Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
The TOEFL and GMAT Verbal sections are of more interest in this market (Ukraine). Recently, two students have asked for information on the IELTS but cannot really give a reason why they want to prepare for it. We think maybe they intend to use it in lieu if the TOEFL for an academic admission process. For some reason they do not want to take it at BC even though I referred them to it as the test center and more familiar with that program.


I've known a few private students of my friend and colleague who wanted to prepare for TOEFL but when they started and students saw that perhaps they bit more than they could chew because their level of English was not that good as they thought it was, the students decided to quit. So my friend lost some income due to that. Also, prices for specialised exams are high and few people can afford them privately, language courses have lower prices in groups. So not much market for specialised exams here in Lithuania.
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ecocks



Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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Location: Gdansk, Poland

PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Each market is different Reply with quote

so what goes in one market doesn't necessarily follow in others. Whatever works. Depends a lot on your student population and their goals.
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SF21



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
Posts: 72
Location: California

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so I picked up two private students this week, and one wants me to tutor her for 90 minutes x 2 days a week... all to take place at her office (an hour commute on public transit!). that seems like a long lesson time for a private. i'd rather do 45 minutes x 2.

does anyone here give 90-minute privates?
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spiral78



Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash

PostPosted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

90 minutes is quite do-able - I suggest taking along a newspaper or newsmagazine or two to use as talking points (these are useful regardless of student level) and maybe some task-type materials. These can range from restaurant menus to flight bookings to hotel/resort descriptions.

Ask your student what he/she would like to concentrate on. If it's general conversation, make a list of useful/relevant/interesting talking points together.

Then, you can plan a bit in advance in terms of explicit grammar practice that may be useful, such as comparatives and superlatives if you're going to talk about (compare) holidays, food, weather etc., assuming that your student's interested in some level of explicit grammar review.

Another very useful resource is www.executiveplanet.com. It features comparisons of business cultures in great detail, from a range of countries. Whether you (and your student) agree with every point is irrelevant- it's a useful basis for conversation relevant to business.
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ecocks



Joined: 06 Nov 2007
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Location: Gdansk, Poland

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Take a look Reply with quote

at the cost factors. Doing 2 X 45's requires you to spend the travel time twice for half the money.

Now, IF they are coming to your location, that is different. I had this and it was great! No travel, use your own toilet, eat in your own kitchen, all materials handy, almost a NO LOSE situation. Only problem was the wife got a little irritated when students would be in the apartment at midnight. So, I went back to limited traveling around.

My standard lesson is 90 minutes with a short stretch break of less than 5 along the way. Shorter, especially 45 minutes would feel like you just started and then its over. This way you maximize your lesson versus travel time. Occasionally a student wants ONLY an hour due to their schedule, but I still charge them the same as a 90 - no one who has gotten to the point of asking for the rate has refused. Then again, maybe my 90 minute rate is too low.... Embarassed
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Kootvela



Joined: 22 Oct 2007
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Location: Lithuania

PostPosted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SF21 wrote:
ok so I picked up two private students this week, and one wants me to tutor her for 90 minutes x 2 days a week... all to take place at her office (an hour commute on public transit!). that seems like a long lesson time for a private. i'd rather do 45 minutes x 2.

does anyone here give 90-minute privates?


All my lessons are 90 minutes and that is the optimal amount of time for the optimal results. 45 minutes would be good for a conversation class with high level students.
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Shonai Ben



Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

90 minutes is not that unusual......I do a couple a week.Anything longer than that is too long for me though.
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SueH



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do hour and a quarter slots at home. Prep time is not much greater than an hour and it fits into peoples' schedules well, and appears better value to the student. For the younger kids it gives me leeway for chatting in L1 or games, so that coming to class (after school) doesn't appear like a nose-to-the-grindstone session.
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SF21



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Location: California

PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Take a look Reply with quote

ecocks wrote:
at the cost factors. Doing 2 X 45's requires you to spend the travel time twice for half the money.

Now, IF they are coming to your location, that is different. I had this and it was great! No travel, use your own toilet, eat in your own kitchen, all materials handy, almost a NO LOSE situation. Only problem was the wife got a little irritated when students would be in the apartment at midnight. So, I went back to limited traveling around.

My standard lesson is 90 minutes with a short stretch break of less than 5 along the way. Shorter, especially 45 minutes would feel like you just started and then its over. This way you maximize your lesson versus travel time. Occasionally a student wants ONLY an hour due to their schedule, but I still charge them the same as a 90 - no one who has gotten to the point of asking for the rate has refused. Then again, maybe my 90 minute rate is too low.... Embarassed


Indeed. Don't know what I was thinking. 90 mins it'll be, either once or twice a week. Actually I'm negotiating price with the student now, as I started off with too a low a rate, not taking into account the trek to get to her, and her subsequent unwillingness to meet anywhere other than her jobby job..
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