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jules.yang
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Anyone heard of Wall Street English? I'm interviewing with them and just wanted to know if anyone has any pros/cons about the school.
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glimmer
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I just tried submitting my CV through their web site and got an error message.  |
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roadwalker
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| They are worldwide. They are apparently moving aggressively into China. CCTV 9 gave them a great bit of (free?) advertising a couple of months back (the last time I watched tv here pre dvd player) on one of those smarmy interview shows in soft focus. They were interviewing the founder. I think if you search all of the forums you are likely to get quite a few hits. |
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HunanForeignGuy
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:53 pm Post subject: Wall Street |
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| roadwalker wrote: |
| They are worldwide. They are apparently moving aggressively into China. CCTV 9 gave them a great bit of (free?) advertising a couple of months back (the last time I watched tv here pre dvd player) on one of those smarmy interview shows in soft focus. They were interviewing the founder. I think if you search all of the forums you are likely to get quite a few hits. |
Moving aggressively into the PRC? They are already here and they have been for some time.
They are much more "up market" than Shane, Aston, and EF. They charge premium dollar for their services. They recruit more selectively than the other big mills. They try to strive for image to a certain degree more than the others two. Their offices can often be found in really top dollar locations, so to speak. I understand that they also have silent rules as to age, look, ethnicity, color, etc., etc. If you are offered a job, bear all of this in mind. Negotiate hard. They can pay top RMB and they do. Just ask all of the right questions and hold on hard for the ride. Frankly, I would consider them if you want to work in a training center. |
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johnchina
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: none |
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Not so sure I agree with HFG on the pay. Last year, in Beijing, Wall street was offering 12,000 for 25 contact hours per week plus "a few extra hours" of miscellaneous duties. Say 100 hours per month, to be kind and make the maths easier. 120 rmb an hour is NOT top dollar in Beijing. It's certainly well-above survival level, but it is not great, unless you're an uncertified newb.
Compare with unis. 4000 a month plus free housing plus some other benefits plus LONG holidays. Factor in that most unis only require around 15 hours a week and that 12,000 from Wall street doesn't look so great.
Not disagreeing with anything else that has been said, by HFG or others. BTW, in Beijing many (most?) of the students are young girlfriends of midle-aged rich chaps, so if you like some eye candy at work, Wall Street is a solid bet. |
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bearcanada
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Wall Street are the cream of the crop for language training in China. Two and a half years ago, they spent more than 40 million RMB in Shanghai alone to build and furnish three new (large) offices in first-class space.
They will charge as much as 650 and 700 RMB per hour for one-on-one tutoring, and often 400+ for small classroom work. They do not go out to student locations as do the others - the students must come to their office.
They are selective in their recruiting - if you teach for Wall Street, you're qualified. I don't know about racial or other biases. They will pay 14,000 to about 20,000 per month for teachers at various levels in their organisation.
However, last year they were having some financial trouble due to low enrolments and I believe they closed one of their offices. I am not aware that their educational quality has suffered, but I haven't more information.
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: none |
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| johnchina wrote: |
| Not so sure I agree with HFG on the pay. Last year, in Beijing, Wall street was offering 12,000 for 25 contact hours per week plus "a few extra hours" of miscellaneous duties. Say 100 hours per month, to be kind and make the maths easier. 120 rmb an hour is NOT top dollar in Beijing. It's certainly well-above survival level, but it is not great, unless you're an uncertified newb. |
You forgot to add that although you only have 25 contact hours per week, they expect you on site for 8 hours per day. |
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HunanForeignGuy
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: none |
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| johnchina wrote: |
Not so sure I agree with HFG on the pay. Last year, in Beijing, Wall street was offering 12,000 for 25 contact hours per week plus "a few extra hours" of miscellaneous duties. Say 100 hours per month, to be kind and make the maths easier. 120 rmb an hour is NOT top dollar in Beijing. It's certainly well-above survival level, but it is not great, unless you're an uncertified newb.
Compare with unis. 4000 a month plus free housing plus some other benefits plus LONG holidays. Factor in that most unis only require around 15 hours a week and that 12,000 from Wall street doesn't look so great.
Not disagreeing with anything else that has been said, by HFG or others. BTW, in Beijing many (most?) of the students are young girlfriends of midle-aged rich chaps, so if you like some eye candy at work, Wall Street is a solid bet. |
Excuse me, guy, but you totally misquoted me. Read the English that I wrote. I wrote that they are located in top-dollar locations -- not that they pay top dollar. That means that their offices, as others have written here, are located in very nice complexes, etc. |
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Mydnight
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Around here they function the same as EF or other centers: Recruit the same teachers as other centers, pay similar for full-time and shun part-time, have their own materials but similar with other places, charge a lot of money but give teachers little.
They didn't really make waves when they came here. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| Mydnight wrote: |
Around here they function the same as EF or other centers: Recruit the same teachers as other centers, pay similar for full-time and shun part-time, have their own materials but similar with other places, charge a lot of money but give teachers little.
They didn't really make waves when they came here. |
Good analysis.
The only difference I see is that Wall Street paints themselves as high-class while EF doesn't. Same monkey, different dress. |
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johnchina
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HunanForeignGuy - "They can pay top RMB and they do."
Sorry! I totally thought you meant that they pay well! |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:29 am Post subject: |
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| johnchina wrote: |
HunanForeignGuy - "They can pay top RMB and they do."
Sorry! I totally thought you meant that they pay well! |
Have to feel sorry for someone who believes about 100 RMB is "top pay."  |
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HunanForeignGuy
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| Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Wall Street English |
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| jules.yang wrote: |
Anyone heard of Wall Street English? I'm interviewing with them and just wanted to know if anyone has any pros/cons about the school.
THanks!!! |
How did the interview go and what choice have you made? |
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bearcanada
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Joe C. said, "Wall Street paints themselves as high-class while EF doesn't. Same monkey, different dress."
And that's complete nonsense. I don't know if their standards are lower in Southwest China, but in other locations Wall Street are first-class. So are people like Oxford English. They are not the trashy mills you read about in other posts.
Other than nasty uninformed side-swipes, I've seen and heard nothing to suggest that Wall Street will hire white backpackers with a Gr. XII, and I've never seen evidence of pay of less than 10,000 RMB per month.
On items like this, it would be helpful if the individuals posting would relate only factual knowledge instead of opinions presented as such. It helps no one to bad-mouth good organisations.
I have never worked for Wall Street but I did examine them closely on my arrival in China and found no negatives that should be of concern.
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Joe C.
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| bearcanada wrote: |
Joe C. said, "Wall Street paints themselves as high-class while EF doesn't. Same monkey, different dress."
And that's complete nonsense. I don't know if their standards are lower in Southwest China, but in other locations Wall Street are first-class. So are people like Oxford English. They are not the trashy mills you read about in other posts.
Other than nasty uninformed side-swipes, I've seen and heard nothing to suggest that Wall Street will hire white backpackers with a Gr. XII, and I've never seen evidence of pay of less than 10,000 RMB per month.
On items like this, it would be helpful if the individuals posting would relate only factual knowledge instead of opinions presented as such. It helps no one to bad-mouth good organisations.
I have never worked for Wall Street but I did examine them closely on my arrival in China and found no negatives that should be of concern.
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Literacy not your forte?
Those that Wall Street hires are the same bachelor-degree holders with your run of the mill CELTA that EF or any Chinese university hires.
Perhaps if I wrote that Wall Street positions themselves as high class rather than paints themselves as high class you might not struggle with the language so much? Next time I'll be sure to dumb it down for you. |
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