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tw
Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 3898
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Yes, bribery is as much a part of Chinese culture as smoking is. Just a few months ago I read in an English language newspaper printed in China that even university and college student union leaders get bribes in the forms of gifts and free meals from freshmen who are desperate to join the students unions in order to make their resumes look good. The most recent and best story I've heard of a student trying to bribe the FT came from my male Filipino colleague who was teaching in a teachers university in Shanxi. One of his best students, a female, offered to "do anything" at his apartment if he could give her the highest grades among her peers. The result? She lost 5% off her final grade as a punishment for her little attempt.
My personal policy is not to accept any gifts or invitations to dinners once I have announced the final exam dates. Of course, this policy doesn't apply in the case of in-class Christmas gift exchanges. I did break that rule in Huhehaote when one of my better students gave me a scarf for Christmas. However, she never did get more than a 75% (or less) for the class. Last year, a group of boys wanted to take me out to dinner, but I turned them down politely, stating that I was busy. Another group of boys were dismayed and angered when the 70 RMB box of chocolates a few of them had chipped in to buy for me for Christmas was opened and shared with the class.
Personally, I despise bribery of any kind and it disgusts me even more knowing any teacher accepts any form of bribery while knowing full well the purpose behind the gift/dinner/etc. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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We're all just a bunch of Randy Bobandies in these kids' eyes, willing to do anything for a couple of friggin' cheese burgers |
1/3lb pure ground beef, topped with bacon and real cheddar cheese??? I'll do dinner with them
Okay, the story is four students in this one class are on the football team and I guess they went to Luoyany (it's this whole other city in HEnan) for 16 weeks. Last week was week 18, final tests. Did these boys try bribing me? Not a whit!
Then, to top it off, this one boy comes to the final, and sleeps (puts his head face down on the desk) for the first two groups. When it's time for the group he decided to join, he gets up with them, and I ...
here is where I think of a clever poll, and let you pick the ending of the story
BTW, the other class members have all learned to practice manners during our semester. All of my classes, except these four boys, did good work, no failures
So I'm awaiting the Marketing department's answer on what the policy is for a student who misses 16 weeks of classes. (Their other Chinese teachers have said nothing?) |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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arioch36 wrote: |
Their Chinese teachers say nothing? |
When I walk around my school and peer into classes given by Chinese teachers I see lots of sleepers. Chinese teachers don't care.
One day during an exam where the school scheduled 3 of my classes to take an exam at the same time but in different rooms - against my wishes by the way - they gave me Chinese teachers to watch the class.
After I exited one room and stopped at the back door a quick moment later and saw the Chinese teacher talking to the class and they all started talking at once and the notes popped out of their pockets.
After a quick discussion with these teachers I found - they were recent graduates of the school i am working at. Ergo they have no experience and they cheated just last year when they were in those exams seats.
Finals are in a few days. I made different exams for different classes and told the students anyone caught cheating fails the whole course. I will make good on this promise - no matter how nice her assss is... |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:19 am Post subject: |
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Side note. After a chat with the best student in the 3 classes of her grade she told me that students win money awards every semester for being in the top 10 of each class.
She said she is always the top ( she wrote toppest by the way...) in her class and the school gives the top student 1200 rmb every semester for this honor. Other students get rewarded 900,600,300 rmb.
She is the monitor in her class. And is indeed a good student. |
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arioch36
Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 6:58 am Post subject: |
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At almost every school, I mean every school, they have these scholarships.
What is sad? or perhaps an okay tradition, the scholarship winner is expected to take a number of clasmates and dorm-mates to a nice dinner, and blow away most of their scholarship, even if they are as poor as dirt and need the money.
1,200 RMB ain't bad though, for such a scholarship |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Final exams are underway and annoucements about my attendance policy and how many will fail...
The bribes are being offered left and right...
Dinners, money, KTV, drinks, etc...
Nothing accepted as yet... |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Don't you do it Jeff - - don't succumb to temptation!
Hey, here's an idea. Why not tell your classes that YOU'LL treat the top 5% of your class to a nice dinner (you know, the ones who've attended most every class, participated, got consistently high marks, etc.).
As for bribes - - take what you will as "gifts" and still fail their sorry behinds! Now there's a life lesson for ya! |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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Ok Kev then you need to help me!
i will come to Suzhou and you need to treat me to some ....... |
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Nemesis

Joined: 10 Oct 2007 Posts: 122
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:25 am Post subject: |
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Well, exams are done and marked now -- today I hand in my grades at 5pm, and then my 7 week vacation begins.
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No more bribes to report on my side.
I did have one odd moment during my (1-1) oral exams: a student hired a stooge to take his place!
I looked at the guy as he sat down and said "hey, you're not Priest!"
He says yes, yes he is Priest. He spells out the name P-r-i-e-s-t to confirm said fact. Okaaay...
I officially began the exam and asked him some questions. He answered. I marked something down in my book. Asked him another question. He answered.
Then I stopped the test. I placed my book on the table and asked him to write down his phone number.
I spoke very quietly: "This is a very serious situation. You are not Priest. Someone will call you to have a meeting with the principal, and I must also give your phone number to the campus police. This is very serious."
Dude cracked instantly, admitted he was a hired gun, and begged for forgiveness. I kept him stressed for a while, and then the real Priest rocked up -- a big, fat, dumb country boy -- panting and sweating, to save the day!
Good times in the wilds of China...
Whatever. Spring break's here! Now enough time to plan a runner! |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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I got a little tough during exams also.
School rule all students must have a school issued student ID. I tell them no ID no exam.
And there were some who showed up without ID. I said go get it. One student who i had no clue who he was was lucky - his homeroom teacher was in the room and I asked her to validate him.
In one class a girl just went to the bathroom - unnoticed by me - and then came back in and started to work on her exam again!
I said HELLO... where did you go? She said toilet. I sadi ok, sorry exam over. She started cursing at me in Chinese!!!
Still got an A though... what a nice behind she has... |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:23 am Post subject: |
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Still got an A though... what a nice behind she has... |
JeffinFlorida - - from reading your numerous manly posts, I realize that a lot of times you are just joshin' us about the sexual nature of your entire existence. Please, please tell me this is another joshin' and you are being fair and honest with ALL your students: male/female, nice ass/saggy ass/any other kind of ass . . . |
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DistantRelative
Joined: 19 Oct 2004 Posts: 367 Location: Shaanxi/Xian
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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jeffinflorida - a graduate of "The Johnny Smoggins University of Chinese Culture" . I'd venture to say most of us do it. We just don't spend our time here shar'in the experiences!
Zhuhao,
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tatterdemalion
Joined: 02 Aug 2007 Posts: 78 Location: Yangzhou, China
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I accept dinners, favors, etc, and take them as displays of interest in my teaching. If interest is displayed, I pay more attention to a student. That means I call on them for answers more. They're not going to have an easy ride. They'll probably get a better grade since they're going to be more involved and thus learn more.
Oh and when students sleep, I drop things on their heads, thereby entertaining the whole class. It's gotten so no one's really willing to have a deep snooze; they keep one eye open so that if I come up they can sit up suddenly and I can't pick up their ballpoint pen and drop it in their hair... |
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jeffinflorida

Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 2024 Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Here is my class intro:
"Hello, I am Jeff your teacher."
"I am a good teacher...
But a bad man..."
As I leer at the young girls in the front row...
I ask their names... "Hello Girls" after they tell me their names... With a sincere smile on my face...
Then I ask a boy his name... As he starts to speak I interupt him and tell him to shut up as I really don't want to know any of the boys or their names...
China, a great place to work... And no "Dateline, To Catch a Preditor " hidden cameras to worry about...
By the way my students give the school good reviews about me...
To further answer your question... out of the four students caught cheating on the final 2 of them - the girls - were given breaks on failing the whole course...
No not because of their nice hienies... But because they asked, whereas the boys just left without a word or follow up... |
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kingmalka

Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 133 Location: San Diego - Hong Kong
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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jeffinflorida wrote: |
Here is my class intro:
"Hello, I am Jeff your teacher."
"I am a good teacher...
But a bad man..."
As I leer at the young girls in the front row...
I ask their names... "Hello Girls" after they tell me their names... With a sincere smile on my face...
Then I ask a boy his name... As he starts to speak I interupt him and tell him to shut up as I really don't want to know any of the boys or their names...
China, a great place to work... And no "Dateline, To Catch a Preditor " hidden cameras to worry about...
By the way my students give the school good reviews about me...
To further answer your question... out of the four students caught cheating on the final 2 of them - the girls - were given breaks on failing the whole course...
No not because of their nice hienies... But because they asked, whereas the boys just left without a word or follow up... |
I declare the bold section false. |
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