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Is it possible to save up money in Mexico?

 
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:55 am    Post subject: Is it possible to save up money in Mexico? Reply with quote

I'm an American currently teaching in South Korea. When my contract ends, I'd kind of like to switch to teaching somewhere in Latin America. I fully accept that nowhere in Latin America (and practically nowhere in the world) will I be able to save up as much money as I would in SK teaching ESL. But I do want to teach in a country where I can save up something. Without knowing the financial aspects, Mexico also appeals to me because I could drive home on my vacations. (Most of my relatives are in SoCal.)

My questions about saving money in no particular order:

1) I see an extremely wide pay range in the Mexican jobs advertised. What pay should I be looking for if I wanted to save up and send home 200-300 or more USD a month? (Assuming that's even possible.)

2) What's the cost of living like in Mexico? How much does it vary from region to region and city to city?

3) Can I get away with teaching -private lessons without any real risk of deportation/trouble with the labor board/trouble with my primary employer? If so, how plentiful are private lessons?

4) I've seen a few jobs in Mexico City that appear to pay $1000 to $1800 USD. Are these listings for real? If so what's the catch, if any?

I thank anyone who's taken the time to read this post. Any and all answers are appreciated.
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corporatehuman



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure you can save money. It's like anything else. If you want to save money don't spend money.

That being said you can find good money in Mexico City. Normally 15 dollars an hour to 25. Also you can teach as many private classes you want without fear of not being legal or whatnot.

That being said, in Chiapas everything was very cheap and the pay was lower. But as a result you could still save money. In Mexico City everything is more expensive but the pay is better...so it sort of works out equally.

You can save money though. Not a lot. I imagine maximum maybe 200 dollars a month? maybe some more depending on how frugal you are. Definitely though you'll miss South Korea for this reason alone.

Chris
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

About how much do private lessons pay? Does that also vary from city to city? How much is rent in Mexico City? I notice some employers offer free accommodation. Is it wise to take them up on that offer or is it a much better idea to find my own housing? for that matter, is broadband web access affordable and readily available throughout the country?. Teaching Asian students online is a great way to get in on some of that Pacific Rim pay rate without actually having to be there; got a few friends in the sates who've done that.

P.S. $200 a month is just fine, it's about what I was saving up per month when I worked in the U.S.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can save money here if you try.

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1) I see an extremely wide pay range in the Mexican jobs advertised. What pay should I be looking for if I wanted to save up and send home 200-300 or more USD a month? (Assuming that's even possible.)


Much depends on your qualifications and experience. You can land good jobs at private primary, secondary, and post-secondary schools with the right paperwork, and earn between 10 and 20k pesos per month, with benefits. If you don't have the paperwork and are looking at language schools, you'll likely max out at 12k per month, with the chance of earning far less in smaller cities.

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2) What's the cost of living like in Mexico? How much does it vary from region to region and city to city?


Rent is the biggest factor city to city. Anything in resort beach areas is too much. Smaller cities and rural areas are going to consume about 20-50% of your income, and larger cities will consume 20-35% of your income. Some here will disagree with me on this, but while Guadalajara and Mexico City have higher rental rates, both cities offer so much higher pay than elsewhere that I think it more important to look at how much you'll pay as a percentage of your income over whole numbers.

Food and transportation is about 30-50 % less than what you would pay in the US, with Mexico City being the cheapest on both counts nationwide. Again, maybe some disagreement there. Electronic, imported items, and US brand name clothing is 50-100% more costly here.

Also, try a search o the Mexico forum for cost-of-living. We've written a lot over the last few years on this.

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3) Can I get away with teaching -private lessons without any real risk of deportation/trouble with the labor board/trouble with my primary employer? If so, how plentiful are private lessons?


Yes. Plentiful. At least in DF. The most common way to run afoul of immigration here is through the jilted lover. That said, it's just as easy to get the proper working papers. Do a search of the forum on the independent FM3.

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4) I've seen a few jobs in Mexico City that appear to pay $1000 to $1800 USD. Are these listings for real? If so what's the catch, if any?


They are probably for real. The catch is you need to be a teacher.

If you're backpacking through, and have been idling by in Korea on little more than a BA, then the top jobs are not available to you. Language school/hogwan type work awaits you, though even there you can make money. You won't be able to send the 200-300 usd back home in that case. If you are a qualified, credentialed teacher, and approach this thing seriously, then you can make a pretty penny here and yes, send back that 200-300 usd.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you are a qualified, credentialed teacher, and approach this thing seriously, then you can make a pretty penny here and yes, send back that 200-300 usd.


I would agree with Guy on that one. You can make more money if you work for a private elementary/secondary/university. Thus, it makes it a little easier to save. As well, some schools, as you mentioned, will offer housing. Typically the only fees involved (if any) are the utilities. Utilities are usually quite cheap, especially here in Mexico City.

As CorporateHuman said, saving money is mostly about the effort you put into it. If it is really important to you to save at least $200/month, you can do it. Of course, that might mean you have to go without things, but in the end, the decision is up to you.

Again, the money to be made here is no where near what you are likely making in SK, but Mexico is an awesome place to be. If you�re interested, I would certainly give it a go!
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:

Much depends on your qualifications and experience. You can land good jobs at private primary, secondary, and post-secondary schools with the right paperwork, and earn between 10 and 20k pesos per month, with benefits....

The catch is you need to be a teacher.

If you're backpacking through, and have been idling by in Korea on little more than a BA, then the top jobs are not available to you.


Well I wouldn't quite consider myself to be a "backpacker" (I was when I started, but I'm on my second contract now.) I'm not a fully qualified credentialed teacher either, not by a longshot. This brings me to another question--- do the scant qualifications I have give me any sort of edge in the job market?

I have:

A social work degree (some countries in Asia see that as a plus, many--- including SK--- see it as irrelevant, dunno whether it means anything in Latin America....)
5 months experience as a college T.A.
5 months experience managing the budget of a children's after school program.
4 months experience at a language academy. (Hagwon)
1 year experience at a public junior high in South Korea
TEFL certification

I don't have:

A teaching degree
Fluency in Spanish.

Does this help me at all in getting one of the "real" teaching positions? or should I just stick to hunting for private sector "language institute" jobs?
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ls650



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that when I taught at a state university in Mexico, my living expenses tended to be in the 5000 to 6000 range. After factoring in other incidentals, I managed to save maybe 3000 pesos/300 dollars a month. Of course, about once every six months I'd fly up to North America and spend all those savings, but....
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FreddyM



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:


I have:

A social work degree (some countries in Asia see that as a plus, many--- including SK--- see it as irrelevant, dunno whether it means anything in Latin America....)
5 months experience as a college T.A.
5 months experience managing the budget of a children's after school program.
4 months experience at a language academy. (Hagwon)
1 year experience at a public junior high in South Korea
TEFL certification

I don't have:

A teaching degree
Fluency in Spanish.

Does this help me at all in getting one of the "real" teaching positions? or should I just stick to hunting for private sector "language institute" jobs?


It really depends on the school. The upper tier, most elite schools, a real teaching credential (proper certification from the government of an English speaking country) and a college degree are the barest minimum qualifications; some schools even want at least two years full-time teaching experience and IBO experience or training. Some schools even have the nerve of asking that you be properly trained and experienced in the specific subject you'd be likely to teach. (They're not all just general English teaching jobs). These kinds of schools can pay almost at the level of an English speaking country with the best benefits, work hours, and resources. You can either save tons of money in such a job, or live it up to your hearts content if you felt like it. You'd be hard pressed to land a job at such a school. Right below that tier however, many k-12 schools are very flexible, a degree is a plus, a TEFL certificate and previous teaching experience a real bonus, no "real" teaching credential or experience necessary. The pay can still be pretty good, but it will vary a lot from school to school.
Of course I also know of some schools where none of that matters and you can land a sweet deal with almost no experience or credentials. You'd have to have lots of luck and be a real schmoozer to do that though.

Spanish fluency is irrelevant.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Guy new this was coming, I totally disagree with his costs estimates.
In smaller cities, rent over 2000 pesos a month would be luxury accomodation (exculding beach resorts). And in small towns a three course set lunch (the main meal of the day) is rarely over 30 pesos, and can be much less. Certain food items are more expensive but it has to due with where they are produced. When I lived in Michoacan I ate strawberries all the time because they were so cheap, I almost never buy them in Oaxaca because they are too expensive, the opposite was true of jamiaca, In Michoacan I couldn't bring myself to pay that much for it, because it's so cheap in Oaxaca. Obviously, in tourists restaurants in tourists cities, the food is more expensive, but not where the locals eat.

What kind of TEFL cert do you have? That might make a difference. As you've already been told, you're not going to wow the country with your credentials, but you will do okay. It's a lot about being in the right place at the right time in Mexico. And just because your first job isn't the best doesn't mean that you shouldn't take it. During that first year you can make a lot of contacts that can move you into a much better positions the second year.
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yaramaz



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiosity, I was wondering what a BA and a 240 hour TEFL certification from Canada is worth, combined with about 7 years experience in everything from Primary school to high school to university to language school director...My partner and I are heading back to the Americas in autumn after a million years away and I hope I'm not making a very foolish move by leaving a pretty good job in Turkey. I just really want to be in mexico Smile
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:

What kind of TEFL cert do you have? That might make a difference. As you've already been told, you're not going to wow the country with your credentials, but you will do okay. It's a lot about being in the right place at the right time in Mexico.


I've got a 100 hour certification. Got it from Teflonline.net. It's not the most impressive cert by a longshot. What kind of certification would give me more of an edge? I'm thinking of getting a CELTA, is that a respected one in Mexico?

Also, in terms of the "right time", what's the best time of year to job hunt in Mexico?
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Summer, for a late or mid August start if you're chasing positions in elementary or secondary schools. For language schools, any time of year is fine usually, except right at Christmas or Easter.

CELTA is a good course that many people know and respect.
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:


CELTA is a good course that many people know and respect.


... it certainly seems to pull its weight in Asia and Europe. Glad to know it works in Latin America too. Maybe I'll take a month off at the end of my contract, just buckle down and get it.
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