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matador
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: ## Language Key in Shanghai/Beijing ## |
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| I saw this name come up in posts related to EF and Wall St. Who are they? Any experiences? |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:32 am Post subject: Re: ## Language Key in Shanghai/Beijing ## |
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| matador wrote: |
| I saw this name come up in posts related to EF and Wall St. Who are they? Any experiences? |
It's a long story.
It started out as a Hong Kong company run by a couple of expats who, after teaching in Hk for a while, banded together to try their own luck. It soon expanded to the Mainland -- Beijing & Shanghai -- and was doing reasonably well until the original partners started drifting apart. There were a few management changes here and there -- before and after they sold -- and now it is basically just your run-of-the-mill expat-owned clueless company English training center.
One of their biggest claims to date is that they have the contract to provide corporate English training to Coca-Cola.
They have recently expanded into Guangzhou with little success -- likely because their GZ operations and management team is a joke. A big joke. |
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matador
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:27 am Post subject: Language Key |
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| Thanks for the info. Do they pay well in comparision to others? Did you actually work for them? Sorry for all the questions. Just dont' wanna walk into a duff job! Thank you. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Language Key |
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| matador wrote: |
| Thanks for the info. Do they pay well in comparision to others? Did you actually work for them? Sorry for all the questions. Just dont' wanna walk into a duff job! Thank you. |
I have a good friend that works for them now. He says the pay is good on the corporate assignments, but they might be starting to look for ways to decrease it. He is getting 350 RMB per hour plus travel. Problem is he's always complaining about last minute cancellations which leave him hanging on about half his expected hours per month. Again, this is corporate work.
He also says that in Shanghai and Beijing it isn't bad working for them, but Guangzhou sucks big time. I know the GZ manager for them and the guys a first class looser who would do well to aspire to be a bozo. |
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DistantRelative
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| Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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350rmb per hour!!!! Not bad!!
Zhuhao,
Shawn |
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propertee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| DistantRelative wrote: |
350rmb per hour!!!! Not bad!!
Zhuhao,
Shawn |
If that low hourly rate is so stimulating why would you come to China and not Korea, Japan, or other higher paying countries? |
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propertee
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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They'll simply find a way to continue violating the laws as they do now. Fake degrees, fake "schools," etc.
The walls will eventually crack-down on the number of them.
The movie Cube comes to mind |
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DistantRelative
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| If that low hourly rate is so stimulating why would you come to China and not Korea, Japan, or other higher paying countries? |
Did you forget your medication? Why would I consider going to Korea, Japan, or some other "high paying" country when I am satisfied with what I have here? Your post made absolutely no sense, but thats become the norm for you.
I'd venture to say 90% of us that post here would be more than pleased to receive 350rmb per hour for the work we do.
Just in case you might be slow to grasp the concept, I'll break it down for you.
350 divided by 7.2 (Current exchange rate in US Dollars) = $48.62
Not ashamed to admit, that's more than twice what I could make back in the states prior to arriving here. Low hourly rate? Not hardly!
Basing my opinion on the 77 posts you've made here, I'd venture to say it's probably about 4 times your worth. 
I've been here at Dave's 3+ years now, and during that time I've never seen a poster alienate so many people in such a short time. That's a real feather in your cap 
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| DistantRelative wrote: |
350rmb per hour!!!! Not bad!!
Zhuhao,
Shawn |
Yes, at first glance 350 RMB per hour sounds pretty good. But you need to take into account a few things such as ...
1. They are trying to reduce that amount now and pay considerably less;
2. It's 350 RMB per hour pre-tax;
3. It's only for corporate work; and
4. Over 50% of your scheduled classes get cancelled with barely adequate warning. Don't count on your scheduled hours to pay the rent.
From the outside looking in, one does well to remember that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. |
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DistantRelative
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Joe C wrote:
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1. They are trying to reduce that amount now and pay considerably less;
2. It's 350 RMB per hour pre-tax;
3. It's only for corporate work; and
4. Over 50% of your scheduled classes get cancelled with barely adequate warning. Don't count on your scheduled hours to pay the rent. |
Of course you are right Joe. Some negatives there. I only commented on the current 350 per hour. He*l even after taxes that's still a pretty decent wage.
#4 Definitely bites!
One positive, and something I always negotiate into my corporate contracts, and part time work is travel pay. I always include cab fare, and then as often as possible take public transportation, and pocket the difference.
Zhuhao,
Shawn |
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propertee
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| I always include cab fare, and then as often as possible take public transportation, and pocket the difference. |
You don't consider that to be flat-out fraud and/or theft? |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:22 am Post subject: |
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Joe C wrote:
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1. They are trying to reduce that amount now and pay considerably less;
2. It's 350 RMB per hour pre-tax;
3. It's only for corporate work; and
4. Over 50% of your scheduled classes get cancelled with barely adequate warning. Don't count on your scheduled hours to pay the rent. |
Of course you are right Joe. Some negatives there. I only commented on the current 350 per hour. He*l even after taxes that's still a pretty decent wage.
#4 Definitely bites!
One positive, and something I always negotiate into my corporate contracts, and part time work is travel pay. I always include cab fare, and then as often as possible take public transportation, and pocket the difference.
Zhuhao,
Shawn |
LanguageKey also pays my friend's transportation to and from.
But in spite of that, he gets really upset every month because he counts on his 40 scheduled hours, but in the end less than half materialize. 175 per hour sucks -- which is effectively what you end up with. |
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Joe C.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| propertee wrote: |
| DistantRelative wrote: |
| I always include cab fare, and then as often as possible take public transportation, and pocket the difference. |
You don't consider that to be flat-out fraud and/or theft? |
Touch�! |
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