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gaijinalways
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| I can understand the reasoning behind the move, I feel the same way. If you intend to live in a country longer than 3 years then you should try your best to learn the language and participate more in the culture. I find living here frustrating as much as the next foreigner but being able to speak and understand Japanese makes the experience more tolerable. |
I would say yes and no. Sometimes living here the more I understand, the more annoyed I find I am with certain attitudes of the locals and some long time foreign residents who have 'gone native'.
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| How did you get that? (the perm. res. visa I mean) |
You have to apply for permanent residence status at your local immigration office Quibby. The minimum qualifications now are living in Japan for 3 years continuously (no long trips out) and if you have a Japanese spouse that makes it easier (as many of the forms need to filled out in Japanese) and more likely for you to get it. It's very hit or miss, I was fortunate to get it the first time I applied. |
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Quibby84
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| If you get that are you allowed to leave Japan for several years and then come back? |
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englishtutor1378
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I always thought or was told at least that you have to be in Japan or working here for 10 years. Correct me if I am wrong? Oui? Maybe it is different if you actually get married to someone here.
Oh yes, even if you do have permanent residence you will still have to line up each time you re-enter the country to get the finger. Some things never change. I mean anyone here been to Nagasaki and read about the history there about 300 years ago?
And they want to be a International Tourist Destination. Frankly, I am already thinking about Thailand. |
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Glenski
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markle
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| anyone here been to Nagasaki and read about the history there about 300 years ago? |
Don't forget to look at what happened about 60 years ago....
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| And they want to be a International Tourist Destination. |
and you know what ... it is!
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| Frankly, I am already thinking about Thailand. |
Frankly Thailand is worried. |
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englishtutor1378
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Don't get me wrong, Japan is still one of my favourite places that�s why I�m here writing-away my opinions, not everyone has to agree. Honestly, all these changes, new laws and proposed language requirements might hinder foreigners from coming to stay here for the long-haul. Yes, Japan is still an International tourist destination as we speak statistically, since some new laws were just enacted. But let�s look at it several years down the line. It might have a negative effect.
Well of course I didn't forget about what happened 60 years ago, very sad indeed. Thanks for reminding us all of something humankind should be ashamed of doing. But I was talking about Japan�s self-imposed period of isolation from1641 until 1853. Dejima: the artificial island. This was where the Dutch and the Portuguese were forced to live during that time. Also, it was the only trading spot in the whole country during the period. Of course, now-a-days it does not exist. Let�s also not forget about how Chinese and Koreans living in Nagasaki along with other foreigners/Gaijins were forced to live in isolation around that time.
With these new laws and proposed language requirements it is like the JP government is slowly taking a step backwards. If anyone living here over 3 years hasn�t somewhat grasped the language its too bad. But for people who just want to do a 1-2 year work abroad experience this new proposal might discourage foreigners from coming here. Of course, that depends on how they define long-term�������� |
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gaijinalways
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Q8 What are the requirements to become a permanent resident?
A. For applicants who wish to become a permanent resident, Immigration Control Act stipulates the two requiremnts: "The alien's behavior and conduct must be good"; and "The alien must have sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living." The Act further states "the Minister of Justice may grant permission only when he deems.... that his permanent residence will be in accordance with the interests of Japan."
Let us first explain the aforementioned two requirements. According to Immigration Control Act, these two requirements "do not have to be fulfilled in the case of spouses or children of Japanese nationals, those who have Permanent Residence status or those who are special permanent residents." As these aliens have obviously taken root in Japan, Japanese lawmakers regard it proper to provide these foreign nationals with stable residence on a family basis by easing the requirements on these foreign nationals.
Applicant foreign national is regarded as behaving "good" if he/she does not have any criminal record (or does not suffer any protective measure in accordance with Juvenile Law), fulfills his/her taxpaying responsibility and other public obligations, and lives a life that would not lead to social criticism as a resident.
Applicant foreign national is deemed as having "sufficient assets or ability to make an independent living" if he/she does not pose any burden on the government in his/her daily life and is expected to live a stable future life from the viewpoint of his/her assets or abilities. In this context, even if the applicant does not meet this requirement by himself/herself, the applicant is regarded as satisfying it as long as he/she is expected to continue a stable life on a household basis including his/her parent or spouse.
In the context of the phrase "the Minister of Justice may grant permission only when he deems ...that his permanent residence will be in accordance with the interests of Japan," the applicant must be recognized as beneficial to the Japanese society and economy if the applicant is granted the permanent residence status. In making this judgment, the immigration control authority pays attentions to Japan's capacity to accept foreign nationals(such as Japan's national land conditions, or demographic trends) as well as immigration control-related circumstances at home and abroad, and other factors. Minister of Justice has a wide range of discretion in making judgment on if or not he will grant permanent residence status to foreign nationals.
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I guess they must have figured I was 'good' enough to stay here and that I haven't poisoned too many young minds here yet  ! wait..I said yet..I mean..  ...  
Note, the number of years isn't stated here and isn't an ironclad requirement. Immigration in the past used to apply the 10 year rule, strange that it would be included in another part of their site. But like many things in Japan, it just depends on who you talk to on that day or who reviews your application.
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| Yes, Japan is still an International tourist destination as we speak statistically |
Yes, but I wouldn't say it ranks as very 'popular'
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0198352.html
1. France 75.9 79.1 1.0% 4.2%
2. Spain 55.9 58.5 6.6 4.5
3. United States 49.2 51.1 6.8 3.8
4. China 46.8 49.6 12.1 6.0
5. Italy 36.5 41.1 -1.5 12.4
6. United Kingdom 28.0 30.7 9.2 9.3
7. Germany 21.5 23.6 6.8 9.6
8. Mexico 21.9 21.4 6.3 -2.6
9. Austria 20.0 20.3 3.0 1.5
10. Russian Federation 19.9 20.2 0.2 1.3
http://geography.about.com/library/weekly/aa050899.htm
Japan doesn't make it in the top 20.
http://unspun.amazon.com/Best-Countries-for-Tourism/list/show/12488
Now in self rankings, Japan made it as 21. But where people go and what they say is best are two different things . |
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englishtutor1378
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| Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice link. Now lets look at what will happen a few years down the line with all these new laws, requirements, etc.. etc... |
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