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Sapa2008UK
Joined: 21 Jan 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Classroom management books? |
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Are there any books you can recommend that would give advice on classroom management, how to deal with naughty pupils and how to set up reward systems?
Im just starting to look into teaching and would like to get a grasp of these issues before I even think about doing a course.
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surrealia
Joined: 11 Jan 2003 Posts: 241 Location: Taiwan
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Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: |
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There are two excellent titles about classroom management specifically for language teaching:
Classroom Dynamics by Jill Hadfield
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Dealing with Difficulties by Lindsay Clandfield and Luke Prodromou
These two books will give you a lot of ideas to help you with problems that come up in the classroom. You can order these two books here. |
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tanuki

Joined: 24 Oct 2006 Posts: 47
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: Second that + another... |
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Hi there Sapa
I heartily agree with surrealia's suggestion of Classroom Dynamics. It's written primarily with language teachers in mind (and although I haven't read it for a few years now, I seem to recall the first section had some excellent activities for multilingual classes).
Having said that it's mostly for language teachers, I have also bought it for friends who work in the regular state school system (science, history, math teachers!). Highly recommended.
[Don't know the other one so I won't comment on it. But I'll definitely take a look into it myself. Thanks surrealia! )
This might be more what you're after, though, based on your comments:
"how to deal with naughty pupils and how to set up reward systems"
It's written primarily with state school teachers in mind and will quite thoroughly answer the sorts of questions you seem to have. It will also provide you with a raft of strategies for doing what it sounds like you want to do. (Actually, now that I think about it, I might start sending copies of this one to all my friends in the state school system too!)
Hope it helps! And good luck with the career choice
Tanuki |
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The_Hanged_Man

Joined: 10 Oct 2004 Posts: 224 Location: Tbilisi, Georgia
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Baba O'Riley
Joined: 06 Oct 2007 Posts: 5 Location: Ireland
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I notice you were looking for activity books too, so you might consider Language Activities For Teenagers, edited by Seth Lindstromberg Cambridge
This has a good selection of activities you can use in class and of practical suggestions about maintaining discipline with this age-group, as well. |
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Um |
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Warning on putting too much faith into books. What works in one class usually doesn't work in all the classes that you have in the same school.
What works in one location might not work in another location that isn't that far away from the first.
Teaching English changes from one country to the next. Here where I teach in China my students that are mostly around twenty years old; are less worldly than twelve year olds in the West.
Most English teachers only see the same students once a week as we are an expensive show piece. This has one big advantage to us as we in general only need to come up with one great interesting lesson a week.
Once again here in China classes are big around 55 students per class. At some institutes you might only have to teach as little as four students. Many places you will only have a classroom with a blackboard and nothing else. Other places you might be lucky and have lots of multi media equipment.
So don't get stuck on books and courses as the real workplace can be quite different. |
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Insubordination

Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 394 Location: Sydney
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I have recently starting teaching (mostly Chinese) teenagers for the first time in my (6 year) teaching career. It certainly is different and much more difficult.
I am finding it hard to discipline them because I'm not that kind of teacher. I cannot raise my voice, scream or even bring myself to give detentions. I'm not sure why I can't do this since all my colleagues manage to. I obviously need some new techniques other than entertaining them or being their best friend. That approach is working for now but I am already noticing that they think I'm soft and don't do their homework or arrive a little late.
Any insights? |
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Anda

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 2199 Location: Jiangsu Province
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: Um |
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First off your teaching material has to have some interest to you students. I teach at a teacher's college for elementary teachers. My 20 year old students are more interested in things that would interest a twelve year old in the West. Nowadays I get them to take turns to teach the class for about 5 minutes each and have the other students help and correct the student that is teaching. They like this method.
I also teach ten to twelve year olds where I work part time. For my young students I use DVDs where I stop start and ask questions. Beginners I get to repeat after me statements like he is running, that's a car, etc. So when they can make statements I start to teach questions and answers. So next are just questions that they have to answer, and then they can talk.
For my college students I keep reminding them that factory work pays 700 to 1,200 RMB in the city where I teach. A public school teacher gets up to about 2,000 RMB after a number of years of teaching plus less work hours and more holidays than a factory worker. An Chinese English teacher at a top University in China can earn up to 6,000 RMB a month. So I say what do you want low money with long hours and little time off or a better job. I tell them that it's up to them. Poor marks get you a 700 RMB factory job.
Students must know that you are interested in their futures and them as people. You must also go into a class with more than enough material for the lesson so things are kept on the move.
There is a lot of other stuff that goes into teaching and we must all work out ways that suit us individually. You can only copy another teacher up to a point.
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arioch36
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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I have recently starting teaching (mostly Chinese) teenagers for the first time in my (6 year) teaching career. It certainly is different and much more difficult |
Where are you teaching? In China? In the states? Public or private? The methods for the different setting need also to be different.
It is important, I feel, that a teacher teach within the parameter of their personality. It is also very important that a teacher understand the educational system they are in, and how to use it. For instance, here in China, knowing how to use class leaders is very important.
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I obviously need some new techniques other than entertaining them or being their best friend. |
I never try to entertain my students (not the same as hopefully having some classes that stimulate them) nor do I try to be their best friend. This happens if this happens. But the fact is the teacher is the leader, and the center of attention, and a neccessary part of a teacher is maintaining discipline. I'm not sure screaming is neccessary, though every teacher I know in a normal size class has had to raise their voice from time to time. Just like we need to let them know when we think they have done good, we need to let them know when they are doing bad, which requires a different tone of voice. very rarely would I raise my voice other then to get their attention when it is time to stop an activity.
But I am troubled by your perception of "discipline" You seem to link it to screaming and detention as if discipline is something horrible. Discipline is deciding on your class rules, on your goals and your expectations, and keeping the students focused on this. Students, workers, young children need to know what is expected of them and how to accomplish it.
You mention two extremes, screaming at them, and being their best friend, both of which I would feel would hamper "discipline" and lead to an out of control situation
For instance, what is your rule on late homework? Just not accepted? So many marks off? You have a talk with the parent or class leader the second time? The students must feel that you are going to stick to your end of the discpline process, which is that you hold them accountable. And when you don't, just like little children or workers at a company for 20 years, they wuill continue to push until they feel they have discovered where your real limit, boundary is. And then they know their place in your scheme of things, what your "real" rules are |
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mcsam
Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 65
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
This may sound a bit nuts but it's worked for me........You could ask you teenagers to make the rules with you and get them to design a poster that you display in your class. You will probably find that they will come up with much tougher sanctions than you would. The problem then is that you must stick to them. If your not comfortable with that negotiate the rules at the setting stage e.g. if you don't do your homework the first time you have to sit out of the class and finish it. I'm sure your classes are much more interesting than that and they won't want to miss it. If you don't do your homework a second time you have to do it twice and set extra and the third time is a letter or phone call to mum or dad.
Just a suggestion.
Good luck. |
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arioch36
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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You could ask you teenagers to make the rules with you and get them to design a poster that you display in your class |
Not nuts at all, although depending on the students u might have to coach them in the process.
And I agree, the students often come up with stricter guidelines then many teachers. In China, mobile phones and late homework are a problem, and most of the students want the teacher to enforce "penalties" for these problems, which quickly disappear with a little enforcement |
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Serious_Fun

Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 1171 Location: terra incognita
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: Classroom management books? |
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Sapa2008UK wrote: |
Are there any books you can recommend that would give advice on classroom management, how to deal with naughty pupils and how to set up reward systems?
Im just starting to look into teaching and would like to get a grasp of these issues before I even think about doing a course.
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excellent question!
I am a huge proponent of positive reinforcement. And: IMHO a "reward system" or a "token economy" is a bad idea as it perpetuates extrinsic motivation. I would only use such a tool if working with students who have severe behavioural problems...I currently have one student (a 16 year-old boy) with whom I have a signed contract wherein he promises to complete his assignments. No rewards or "extras" for appropriate behaviour.
The school which you work at should have an existing strategy/procedure for enforcing rules. Consistency is key.
Keep up the interest! |
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