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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Y'know even just a few weeks ago I would never have advocated this, but.....FARK the betelnut-chewing-retards (aka: Taiwanese)!

I've been in Taiwan 3 years, and have always done the right thing by the Taiwanese. Each and every time they looked for a way to screw me over. They make it impossible for you to do the right thing, and then whinge about it when you don't.

The most recent example was when I told my employer that I had been offered a job in a city (I am currently in a small town out in the middle of nowhere). I had been with this employer for over 2 years, we had a great working relationship, there were never any problems and I always did everything he asked of me.

I gave him the 30 days notice and even offered to try to negotiate something with my new employer if he still needed more time to find a replacement. His response was to cancel my ARC immediately. Now I have to do a visa run at inflated prices because of the proximity to CNY.

Bottom line: Doing the right thing only gives them the opportunity to look for a way to screw you.

If you want to quit your job, just do it. Collect your pay on pay day and walk away. After 3 years of having these people trying to screw me over every which way, I can no longer advocate any other course of action.

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rupert shellgame



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
So when you quit, they can either a) play hardball and cancel your ARC, in which case you'll have to do a visa run or b) not play hardball, and do what?
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pest2



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah, and another question: If your visa is cancelled, how many days do you have to leave before they fine you? Surely, they dont expect you to leave the very next day (God, if they do, I'm booking the next flight outta here right now).
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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
You have 14 days to clear out.

Imagine the laoban's shock when I told him I would be leaving for HK immediately. The c*nt expected I would work right up till the 14th day (Feb 6th) and then scramble to find a flight. Rolling Eyes
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pest2



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_Zoidberg wrote:
You have 14 days to clear out.

Imagine the laoban's shock when I told him I would be leaving for HK immediately. The c*nt expected I would work right up till the 14th day (Feb 6th) and then scramble to find a flight. Rolling Eyes


That sucks, but I am glad you are not working up to the last day; I think any way you can provide retribution is acceptable in your case. You do all of us ESL teachers a favor that way, because the schools will be more careful about trying to cheat us in the future. You should also post your school's name to any and every blacklist you can find... including ones not limited in scope to Taiwan. Good luck.
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BigWally



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Let me start by saying sorry Dr. Z. It's unfortunate that you got the short end of the stick on this one, but the way that some of these money grubbing laobans act, its not really surprising to me that you got screwed around in the way that you did.

I'm going through a similar situation right now trying to get something through customs. Rather than lie about what was in the box, I was honest and forthright about what was in it (some medicine), and now I have been fighting with the FDA, customs, FEDEX and the gov't for about 2 weeks to get my package released. I think you're better off just lying all the time, even if the other person knows you're lying. They won't call you on it to avoid the argument, and it'll just work out better for everyone.

pest2 wrote:

That sucks, but I am glad you are not working up to the last day; I think any way you can provide retribution is acceptable in your case.


I think refusing to work the final 14 days is fine, but exceeding this with further "retribution" is unnecessary, and unwarranted.

pest2 wrote:
You do all of us ESL teachers a favor that way, because the schools will be more careful about trying to cheat us in the future.


One person refusing to fulfill 2 weeks of teaching, doesn't do anything but inconvenience Dr.Z's former employer until they can find a sub (a few days tops), and eventually a replacement (a few weeks maybe). Being rude, getting angry, trying to exact some form of revenge does nothing here because mostly the laoban's don't care.

They know there is a endless supply of fresh faces coming to Taiwan who are going to fill the jobs that the more experienced teachers don't want. I recently read a report about how Taiwan ranks number 3 in the world when it comes to corruption in the work place. If there is corruption amongst the Taiwanese, don't think that they'd even hesitate for a second to screw a foreigner.

pest2 wrote:
You should also post your school's name to any and every blacklist you can find... including ones not limited in scope to Taiwan. Good luck.


I'm not sure what this would do, as there aren't really many "blacklists" per say, other than the one that lives in urban legend that teachers can be placed on. Also, there are so many bushibans in Taiwan, it would be a waste of time to post derogatory information about a bushiban in Taiwan anywhere else but Taiwanese message boards.
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Dr_Zoidberg



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
BigWally wrote:
Let me start by saying sorry Dr. Z. It's unfortunate that you got the short end of the stick on this one, but the way that some of these money grubbing laobans act, its not really surprising to me that you got screwed around in the way that you did.
In retrospect it doesn't surprise me either. I suppose when the last 26 months went so well I got suckered into thinking this employer wasn't like the others.


BigWally wrote:
I think you're better off just lying all the time, even if the other person knows you're lying. They won't call you on it to avoid the argument, and it'll just work out better for everyone.
Lying seems to be a way of life here, a testament to Taiwanese retardedness.

BigWally wrote:
I think refusing to work the final 14 days is fine, but exceeding this with further "retribution" is unnecessary, and unwarranted.
For the record, my walking away so quickly had nothing to do with retribution. I simply did what was required of me by law (ie: leave Taiwan) and booked the flight that was most convenient for me. Also, once my ARC was cancelled any further work would have been illegal.

BigWally wrote:
pest2 wrote:
You should also post your school's name to any and every blacklist you can find... including ones not limited in scope to Taiwan. Good luck.


I'm not sure what this would do, as there aren't really many "blacklists" per say, other than the one that lives in urban legend that teachers can be placed on. Also, there are so many bushibans in Taiwan, it would be a waste of time to post derogatory information about a bushiban in Taiwan anywhere else but Taiwanese message boards.
Once I have collected what pay I have coming to me I will certainly post a detailed account of what has transpired. I believe everyone who gets screwed by their laoban should do so, even if for no other reason than to give one's fellow expats a heads-up.
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pest2



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Dr_Zoidberg wrote:

Once I have collected what pay I have coming to me I will certainly post a detailed account of what has transpired. I believe everyone who gets screwed by their laoban should do so, even if for no other reason than to give one's fellow expats a heads-up.


Yes, that's the kind of retribution I'm talking about... good for us to know so we dont get suckered into going there, justice in case they have to spend more time and resources finding employees who dont get scared away and perhaps they close, eventually. Market competition: the fittest survive. The one that survives should not cheat its teachers else those teachers all run away. Sadly, some people are sorta like doormats who have an unusual high tolerance for being treated like slaves instead of humans . Rolling Eyes To those people: we deserve better. Make the standard higher and dont ruin it for all the rest of us.
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