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kittyfye
Joined: 11 Jul 2005 Posts: 46 Location: was Korea, now Albuquerque
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Your Uni Job~ |
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I wasjust in Fukuoka for a few days and was impressed by the cleanliness and efficiency of what I saw. My teaching experience is in Korean unis, but I am now considering options in Japan.
I recently earned an MA in Eng Lit, so it would be best to hear from those of you who workin in Japanese unis and have grad degrees--but everyone who works in a uni is welcome to add his/her two yen here.
Fyi, it is my intention to return to the US in August to begin PhD work in Eng Lit; after the PhD, I will perhaps return to Asia if the job market seems acceptable.
Tell me about your job:
1. Are you provided housing?
2. Are you able to save much each year? If you dont mind my asking, how much?
3. Is this your career, or just something you are doing between careers?
4. If yes to #3, then tell us your subject of expertise (what you teach), what your research interests are and if your work is generally respected by the Japanese to whom you answer.
5. Do you see yourself staying in a Japanese uni for a long time, or are you on your way out soon?
6. Finally, is tenure possible for foreigners?
Some of these questions pertain to professors, but many can be answered by those teaching as instructors (that is, with BA's and MA's). Thanks, all, for your input. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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1. Are you provided housing?
No, but I get a winter heating bonus (probably only in Hokkaido).
2. Are you able to save much each year? If you dont mind my asking, how much?
Too variable a question. My family situation and location and spending habits are going to be different from practically everyone else. So will my salary.
3. Is this your career, or just something you are doing between careers?
Been at this almost 10 years as a change in career. Pretty easy to see what this is. I think you will find the answer will largely be the same (career, not between careers) for most uni teachers here.
4. If yes to #3, then tell us your subject of expertise (what you teach), what your research interests are and if your work is generally respected by the Japanese to whom you answer.
Again, this will vary with everyone's position. I work at a science university (no liberal arts programs or majors or departments). However, students still need the basic English, so I teach oral communication, reading courses, listening courses, TOEIC prep courses, technical writing courses, and a debate/presentation course. There is only one other native English speaker there, and he teaches more along the lines of quasi-content courses, plus he admits he couldn't teach anything like I do if his life depended on it, so unless the school hires more teachers, I'm stuck doing that sort of stuff, although I'm trying to get them to listen to science English ideas. We are also in the middle of redoing the curriculum, so anything is possible. Research interests: reading and listening and writing skills, plus CALL and ESP.
I "answer to" practically no one, but yes, my Japanese colleagues (those in the English unit as well as those in the science departments) seem to respect me quite a bit. However, I also have a master's degree in a science field plus years of scientific research experience, so I'm not a cookie-cutter copy of a typical EFL teacher, and that really helps!
5. Do you see yourself staying in a Japanese uni for a long time, or are you on your way out soon?
I'm here for the haul. Japanese wife and kid make sure of that.
6. Finally, is tenure possible for foreigners?
Yes, but it is difficult. |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Glenski,
Are you on a tenure track?
If not, is it possible for you to work towards that in Hokkaido either at your university or others? Or are you subject to caps on contract renewals at your school? |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki,
Believe it or not, but that is an incredibly difficult set of questions to answer, especially the first.
There does not seem to be any official tenure-track description here. Despite MEXT setting its standards of describing the 3 official ranks for university teachers, my school continues to add a 4th. Of the standard 3, you can be hired as an associate or full-professor with automatic lifetime term. Other ranks not.
Since there is no system of moving up the ranks, I can't give any odds or even historical records on how people have moved up. The previous assistant professors in the English unit stayed as long as they wanted. One stayed 30 years then retired. One stayed 5 years and moved because of a spouse's transfer. One felt there was merely no challenges left here and moved on to another Japanese university after 8 years here. All left on good terms. I have been given the same open arms approach: keep your nose clean and if you are happy, you can stay until retirement. It's as close to being tenured as it gets here (at my school).
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is it possible for you to work towards that in Hokkaido either at your university or others? Or are you subject to caps on contract renewals at your school? |
Let me answer the second one first. I am not subject to such caps, but there are other positions that are. Funky, huh?!
Can people in Hokkaido work towards tenured positions? I think so. I just don't know of any specific universities that offer such offhand, and I would guarantee you that they would be pretty few, just as in the rest of this country. You might want to look at Debito Arudou's greenlist (which covers more than Hokkaido) to see how "green" the grass is. http://www.debito.org/greenlist.html |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 1373 Location: Way, way off course.
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki wrote: |
Are you on a tenure track?
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Do you know how many countries where "tenure track" is a meaningful phrase?  |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki,
Believe it or not, but that is an incredibly difficult set of questions to answer, especially the first.
There does not seem to be any official tenure-track description here. Despite MEXT setting its standards of describing the 3 official ranks for university teachers, my school continues to add a 4th. Of the standard 3, you can be hired as an associate or full-professor with automatic lifetime term. Other ranks not.
Since there is no system of moving up the ranks, I can't give any odds or even historical records on how people have moved up. The previous assistant professors in the English unit stayed as long as they wanted. One stayed 30 years then retired. One stayed 5 years and moved because of a spouse's transfer. One felt there was merely no challenges left here and moved on to another Japanese university after 8 years here. All left on good terms. I have been given the same open arms approach: keep your nose clean and if you are happy, you can stay until retirement. It's as close to being tenured as it gets here (at my school).
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is it possible for you to work towards that in Hokkaido either at your university or others? Or are you subject to caps on contract renewals at your school? |
Let me answer the second one first. I am not subject to such caps, but there are other positions that are. Funky, huh?!
Can people in Hokkaido work towards tenured positions? I think so. I just don't know of any specific universities that offer such offhand, and I would guarantee you that they would be pretty few, just as in the rest of this country. You might want to look at Debito Arudou's greenlist (which covers more than Hokkaido) to see how "green" the grass is. http://www.debito.org/greenlist.html |
Glenski,
Thanks for your reply.
Do you realize how lucky you are?
There was another idiot here who was hired to teach at university in Shikoku who only had a B.A.
All you guys who get hired to teach at universities in Japan with no PhD degrees or degrees related to SLA, Education or TESOL have horseshoes up your butt!
Thank your lucky stars!
But like the poster "Alberta" mentioned in another thread - EFL in Japan is like a mob of kids on a soccer team chasing a ball. Japan refuses to recognize academic qualifications, teaching experience, etc. Its' a, "Who you know" kind of deal in Japan. Korea similar. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki wrote: |
Do you realize how lucky you are? |
Yes. Do you know how hard I worked to get where I am?
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There was another idiot here who was hired to teach at university in Shikoku who only had a B.A. |
"Another idiot!?"
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All you guys who get hired to teach at universities in Japan with no PhD degrees or degrees related to SLA, Education or TESOL have horseshoes up your butt! |
Reread my question above about how I got where I am.
I wonder how many EFL university teachers in Japan have PhD's... |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Miyazaki wrote: |
Do you realize how lucky you are? |
Yes. Do you know how hard I worked to get where I am?
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There was another idiot here who was hired to teach at university in Shikoku who only had a B.A. |
"Another idiot!?"
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All you guys who get hired to teach at universities in Japan with no PhD degrees or degrees related to SLA, Education or TESOL have horseshoes up your butt! |
Reread my question above about how I got where I am.
I wonder how many EFL university teachers in Japan have PhD's... |
Glenski,
I don't care how "hard you worked" to get your job. The fact is, you don't deserve it if you don't have a PhD in SLA, Education or TESOL. Save me the B.S. about your school being a science university and wanting someone experienced in biology and chemestry.
The fact remains is that you and the other idiot in Shikoku were able to land university positions without having relevant education or post secondary teaching experience.
So, Thank your lucky stars! Because you're riding the gravy train . |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Well, let's take this one point at a time.
Nobody except PhDs in SLA, Education, or TESOL should be given teaching positions in Japanese universities to teach EFL? I'm sure the many people with master's degrees in such majors will be very upset to hear you say that. Besides, I've seen some pretty awful PhDs behind the lectern, so don't try to convince me that all PhDs are that good.
As for me not "having relevant education or post secondary teaching experience", you and I will just have to agree to disagree.
1) I have post-secondary experience teaching, plus a TESL certificate. Not a quickie weekender, either.
2) The "relevant education" that was requested was specifically for a master's in science, and I won out over the other "idiots" who had degrees in SLA, Education, and TESOL. The uni has been very positive about my work so far, so I must be doing something right.
3) There is no "gravy train" where I work. I get paid for working my butt off. I take on the majority of proofreading (at no extra cost) a boatload of scientific papers from the profs here, simply because I'm good at it (thanks to the experience I have, despite your feelings on its inadequacy) and they know I'm good at it. I have developed courses here and spearheaded curriculum changes much to the liking of the rest of the English teaching staff and a few administrators. I'm also the "go to" person when it comes to innovative ideas for teaching EFL here. I do my share of creating and correcting more than one type of entrance exam, and I attend the staff meetings more than some of my Japanese colleagues (science department or otherwise). Despite the isolated location, I managed to attend 3 conferences out of town last year (and present at one). My hours are 8 to 6, and I often take work home (like this weekend) just to stay on top of things. I'm a fairly active member of JALT in 2 SIGs, and I edit a blog for one of the chapters (meaning, I contribute entries 3 or 4 times a week). If this is gravy train to you, then I bow to your superiority.
Am I perfect? No.
Am I as educated as a PhD in SLA, Education, or TESOL? No. But, I don't have to be, nor do my peers with MAs in SLA, Education, or TESOL.
Did I even try fooling myself into thinking I could compete against PhDs in SLA, Education, or TESOL? Not really. I chose to apply to universities with programs where I felt my non-teaching background would have merit.
Let's just agree to disagree before a moderator comes to shut down this topic.
BTW, what are your credentials, and where are you working? I thought that the whole point of this thread was to answer the OP. I did. You haven't. At least do the OP the courtesy, instead of tying into me for whatever reason. |
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dodgee
Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 47
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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APU in Beppu hire under-qualified lecturers (and that means anyone without at least a masters, unpublished and real teaching experience) at a reasonable pay rate paid during the term time. 10,000 yen a class (90 minutes duration) with most part-timers being allocated 10-12 classes a week during the semester time. Reasonable dosh if you have a network of other jobs established outside term time. The English faculty there is not respected as a result however and it has become a vicious circle with the good lecturers keeping away/leaving and the quality of staff being further eroded. |
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Chris21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki wrote:
Do you realize how lucky you are?
There was another idiot here who was hired to teach at university in Shikoku who only had a B.A.
All you guys who get hired to teach at universities in Japan with no PhD degrees or degrees related to SLA, Education or TESOL have horseshoes up your butt!
Thank your lucky stars!
But like the poster "Alberta" mentioned in another thread - EFL in Japan is like a mob of kids on a soccer team chasing a ball. Japan refuses to recognize academic qualifications, teaching experience, etc. Its' a, "Who you know" kind of deal in Japan. Korea similar. |
Agree completely. Japan has been woefully behind the curve in hring qualified university lecturers. There seem to be quite a large number of people who got jobs during the bubble and early post-bubble days, where competition for jobs wasn't high, and required qualifications were low. Some people managed to get professorships on just BAs. Beyond that, some people with clear social problems which would have prevented them from getting hired in a more discerning job market, managed to slip by in the interview process. At least from my experience, Japanese interviewers don't seem to ask very good questions during a job interview. Perhaps it's cultural reticence to avoid confrontation, but it is difficult to really understand the person that is being interviewed without asking a sharply pointed question or two. A lot of these folks that managed to slip by in previous decades, probably wouldn't get hired today at another uni if they ever left their tenured protection because the market is changing. It seems a lot of new tenured jobs require a PhD in a relevant field, a number of refereed publications, and Japanese language ability. Eventually the old guard will work it's way through the system, and the field in general can be viewed as more qualified.
I'm sure I'll get flamed for this post, so let me just qualify my statement by saying more underqualified people succeeded in getting uni jobs in the past. My point is not that all people hired during bubble or early pos-bubble are underqualified. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 6:53 am Post subject: |
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I think your final italicized points are dead on. At the risk of being called a flamer (I'm not, though), I hope you can wade through this response without getting your hackles up. It is not meant to be confrontational.
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Japan has been woefully behind the curve in hring qualified university lecturers. |
If this is true, to what extent? You mention "lots" and "quite a large number of people", but do you have any figures to back this up? Percentages would be even better.
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Beyond that, some people with clear social problems which would have prevented them from getting hired in a more discerning job market, managed to slip by in the interview process. |
So, today's pool of potential teachers are mentally and socially better? Again, where is the data? This is not a flamer's question, Chris. I have seen quite a few people like you mentioned, newly hired and old guard, so I just wonder where you get the notion that uni teachers now are any better.
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At least from my experience, Japanese interviewers don't seem to ask very good questions during a job interview. |
What has been your experience in uni job interviews? Just curious.
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It seems a lot of new tenured jobs require a PhD in a relevant field, a number of refereed publications, and Japanese language ability. Eventually the old guard will work it's way through the system, and the field in general can be viewed as more qualified. |
While I agree with the former statement, consider this for the latter. Dispatch companies are working their way into the ranks of universities, and many universities are downsizing their FT staff in favor of saving money, so they take on the PTers who may not have such credentials. I think your second statement above is too optimistic. Besides, universities are merging or closing, and with the declining birthrate, who's to say what the job market will even be like in another 25 years?
Finally, some people would say that tons of professional credentials are just fluff when it comes to uni jobs. Many (the majority of?) courses, especially oral communication, are glorified eikaiwa courses, they would say. Even so, I have met some very dedicated university teachers of all ranks and walks of life, who strive for quality education despite all odds. I'd like to consider myself among them. |
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Chris21
Joined: 30 Apr 2006 Posts: 366 Location: Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:10 am Post subject: |
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do you have any figures to back this up? Percentages would be even better. |
Sorry, I didn't collect data before making my last post. All my research is anecdotal based on my experiences, so you can take it or leave it.
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Even so, I have met some very dedicated university teachers of all ranks and walks of life, who strive for quality education despite all odds. I'd like to consider myself among them. |
Great, pat yourself on the back. However, best intentions and qualifications are not the same. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:21 am Post subject: |
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Oh, c'mon, Chris! Why do you have to be so condescending? Please reread the very first lines of my last post.
I noticed you avoided answering a very simple innocent question, too, about your university interviewing experience. Why is that? |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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Glenski wrote: |
Oh, c'mon, Chris! Why do you have to be so condescending? |
Because he's got nowhere else to go.
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I noticed you avoided answering a very simple innocent question, too, about your university interviewing experience. Why is that? |
Because he has none.
Really 'ski, why waste your time with these yahoos? They made these broad unsubstantiated statements because they know they won't be challenged by majority of people on this board that think that University positions are out of their reach because of some nefarious conspiracy against them, not because they lack the pertinent qualities, paper and otherwise. |
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