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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: Quick grammar question |
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I'm planning a lesson for tomorrow and I just wanted to check up on a technical term. Are questions like:
Your best friend is American, isn't he?
or
We forgot it at home, didn't we?
Are these negative interrogatives?
Thanks! |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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Never heard that term before. Most people I know call them tag questions. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:38 am Post subject: |
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Based on some stuff in the Cambridge Grammar of the English Language (by Huddleston & Pullum):
(When) a negative tag attaches to a positive anchor (anchor=statement) (or) a positive tag to a negative anchor, we refer to these as reversed polarity tags. (It is also possible to have constant polarity tags, where the tag has the same polarity as the anchor, but reversed polarity tags are much the more frequent, and constant polarity ones not only have a much clearer function but do not concern us here in this thread).
As far as the meaning is concerned, the important issue is not whether the tag is positive or negative, but whether it has reversed or constant polarity.
In reversed polarity tags, the illocutionary force of the utterance depends on the prosody. The two prinicipal patterns both have falling tone on the acnhor; the tag itself is either rising or, more frequently, falling.
POSITIVE ANCHOR......................NEGATIVE ANCHOR
ia. He was there, wasn't he ^?..b. He wasn't there, was he ^? [rising tag]
iia. He was there, wasn't he v?..b. He wasn't there, was he v? [falling tag]
(You might like to dispense with the question marks and even the commas in falling intonation reversed polarity tags).
(a) The rising tag
This expresses doubt or asks for verification: the question is biased towards an answer that confirms the anchor. A special case, involving a negative anchor, is prosodically distinguished by a somewhat wider pitch movement and the lack of any rhythmic break between anchor and tag. Here there is no such bias towards an answer with the same polarity as the anchor: It isn't raining again, is it ^? It isn't my turn already, is it ^? If anything, there is a bias towards a positive answer, but in addition the construction has an emotive component of meaning - a suggestion of being afraid that the positive answer is the true one.
(b) The falling tag
The version with falling intonation on the tag does not express doubt: the question merely seeks acknowledgement that the anchor is true. Thus it can be used in a context where the anchor is obviously true: Good cracious, you're up early this morning, aren't you v(?/!), uttered at 4 a.m, say. There may be, as perhaps in this example, an implicit invitation to provide an explanation (Yes, I've got a train to catch). Or I may want you to admit something you didn't previously accept (I was right all along, wasn't I v(?)). Or again I might be asking for your agreement to some minor uncontroversial proposition (It's a lovely day again, isn't it v (?/!)). Thus an exclamative anchor will normally take a falling tag because I can hardly ask you to confirm my exclamation: What a mess I've made of things, haven't I v(?/!). With an exclamative the truth of the proposition is not an issue, so that such an anchor is inconsistent with the expression of doubt. The falling tag may therefore have the character of a rhetorical question, where an answer-response is not strictly always necessary.
(I'm not sure about the last example there - if there were to be any sort of tag, something like eh would be more natural to my mind and ear).
Then there are links to negative interrogative questions etc (I don't have time to type up all of what's in the CGEL!) - you might like to do a search for 'tag' or 'tags' etc on the Teacher Discussion forums. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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oh bugger my head just exploded......stupid reversed polarity. |
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Hoser

Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 694 Location: Toronto, Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Well technically (according to my google skillz) a negative interrogative question is something like:
Didn't you go to the party last night?
I was wondering if these "tag" questions are teh same thing. Thanks for the replies! |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Not the same thing in terms of form, but I think the presuppositions behind differing questions overlap to some extent e.g. Didn't you go to the party last night? (I'm thinking you did, but something is now causing me to doubt this, so I need to check (I am not really reminding you in this interpretation)) ( <> You didn't go to the party?! <> ) You went to the party, didn't you ^?
There is an element of surprise in all three question forms (though strongest in the second, declarative/potentially echo question, and just 'Really?!' would do at a pinch here), and also doubt, but if all this is too much to disentangle functionally (and I think tags are the hardest to satisfactorily explain), then there is always the good old basic Yes/No question (Did you go to the party last night?), to which we might at most oppose at most the first two (non-tag) overlapping questions above.
But if you feel that you really must teach some form of tag, then personally I'd go for 'right' as a flat (tonally, as well as all-round) substitute for rising intonation tags (both positive and negative), and 'huh' or 'eh' for falling types. (Bear in mind that Yes/No questions can substitute for positive anchor + negative rising tags). You could then get students to expand (by perhaps just writing out) the simpler tags into the "standard" forms found in most ESL textbooks, just so they are familiar with the full range of forms, even though they won't be needing to worry about screwing up functionally in speech so much.
The suggestions above incorporated into a skeleton possible syllabus (there is lots to include before and after each of these points, recycling etc - I am thinking in terms of "Getting to know people, moving from total strangers to friends"; the use of past tense(s) rather than present will increase as the course progresses (present perfect makes a good midway bridge)):
Mainly grammatically positive statements with flat 'eh' or 'huh' tag (versus falling full tags - see below) (Topicalization i.e. "invitation tags") e.g. It's hot, eh(!), Good music, huh; possible responses
Positive Yes/No questions (or at least keywords with intonation), or positive statement + 'right?' tag (both rather than positive statement + negative rising full tag questions), minimal acceptable answers
Statements, positive and negative, and minimal acceptable responses; echoes, positive and negative
Negative (inverted) questions, and how to answer them
((Positive statement + negative rising full tags))
(Positive and negative statements + the appropriate falling full tags)
Somewhat "extreme" questions (and possibly situations!): negative anchors + positive rising full tags |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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oh bugger my spare head just exploded.....stupid skeleton possible syllabus... |
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maingman
Joined: 28 Jan 2008 Posts: 12
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:33 am Post subject: |
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I have not heard of (*recently gaining my online TEFL...)
interrogative |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Markle, I'll admit that that might have all been a bit too much for a teacher in a hurry to digest, but the fact is that tags are hard to teach well, and I for one would prefer to see (or be shown) how they might compare (or rather, be compared pedagogically) to other, generally clearer types of question. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
I for one would prefer to see (or be shown) how they might compare (or rather, be compared pedagogically) to other, generally clearer types of question. |
Well taken from the perspective of oral fixation ....oh bugger my head exploded again , damn I just bought this one.... stupid pedagogically comparison... |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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maingman wrote: |
I have not heard of (*recently gaining my online TEFL...)
interrogative |
Why am I not surprised..... |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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More like, stupid *beep* tags! |
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