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Oreen Scott



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Location: Oaxaca, Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Internet Connectivity Reply with quote

I have read information regarding internect connectivity in Mexico on this forum. If I remember correctly the concensus was use the internet cafes, they are inexpensive, and hooking up to the internet at home is expensive and difficult.

However, as I sit here, not yet quite awake with the first of my two cups of coffee, I've checked my bank account, checked the weather, read my email . . etc. I read everything online. . .the newspaper, ebooks, and so on, I wach televsion online, I take Spanish lessons online, I hope to continue my university studies online. I think you are getting the picture.

Living in one room wouldn't bother me in the least. Doing without an internet connection would be a sacrifice.

Do any of you have a broadband internet connection at home? What does it cost? What did it take to get it?
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dfields3



Joined: 14 Feb 2007
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Location: Atlanta

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: if you like coffee anyways Reply with quote

I took my laptop with me when I was living there last summer. You said you liked coffee anyways and they (coffee houses) usually have wireless (I was in a bigger city tho too... Guadalajara). I don't know if you have a laptop/desktop, but I would recommend it. It was the only way for me to have music as well cuz I didn't have room to pack a stereo. If you have to use the internet as much as you say, internet cafes could get pricey.
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Guy Courchesne



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Internet Connectivity Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:
I have read information regarding internect connectivity in Mexico on this forum. If I remember correctly the concensus was use the internet cafes, they are inexpensive, and hooking up to the internet at home is expensive and difficult.

However, as I sit here, not yet quite awake with the first of my two cups of coffee, I've checked my bank account, checked the weather, read my email . . etc. I read everything online. . .the newspaper, ebooks, and so on, I wach televsion online, I take Spanish lessons online, I hope to continue my university studies online. I think you are getting the picture.

Living in one room wouldn't bother me in the least. Doing without an internet connection would be a sacrifice.

Do any of you have a broadband internet connection at home? What does it cost? What did it take to get it?


The simplest broadband home connection to get is through the main phone company Telmex. A 1 meg wireless box runs at 300 pesos per month (might be 350 now). I'm not sure if the price is the same nation-wide. The only problem here is that you need to have an existing landline through Telmex. If you don't have one where you live, then it does indeed get complicated if you want to have the landlord install one.

You could get a cable internet connection, which may be easier if you already have a cable tv package installed. If not, then same problem, in that you'd need to get the whole thing set up. I think cable internet runs between 200 and 400 pesos per month.

Availability will probably depend most on where you plan to live, and in what type of accommodations, such as an unfurnished place with nothing hooked up, a furnished place potentially hooked up, shared with others that may already have something, and so forth.

You might find that you can share a neighbour's wireless connection, either by asking them and perhaps sharing the expense, or by simply using open networks you find.

The Mexico City government has created a free public wifi zone in the Zocalo and has plans to expand it to cover the whole city - though I wouldn't bank on that on being very high-speed or implemented anytime soon.
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FreddyM



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Mexico

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Internet Connectivity Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:


You could get a cable internet connection, which may be easier if you already have a cable tv package installed. If not, then same problem, in that you'd need to get the whole thing set up. I think cable internet runs between 200 and 400 pesos per month.


Actually, if you get cable broadband, you don't necessarily have to buy the whole package. In DF, I have broadband through Cablevision, no tv package, just internet. Didn't have to sign a contract or commitment either, and it costs about $400 a month for a 1.5mb connection. It's pretty decent for basic surfing, but if you download a lot of heavy stuff like videos, movies, etc...they throttle down your speed during the daylight hours, so much that if you get 128k you are lucky, and any p2p software will not work perfectly (I leave things downloading overnight while I sleep). At least I could get broadband without having to install a phone line or doing anything complicated.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, thank you...didn't know you could separate tv from Internet on that package.
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ls650



Joined: 10 May 2003
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Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where are you talking about in Mexico? DF, another city, etc?

When I lived in Huatulco (a small town on the Oaxacan coast) many neighbours could not get high-speed - or even telephone. In my building I was only able to get 56K dial-up. The installation of the phone line was expensive, but the monthly fees weren't too bad. For dial-up it was fairly reliable.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Italian Coffee Company in my town has wifi...

I only use the internet at work. But I have one of those jobs, where I have to sit in the office and have more than enough time to do all my internet stuff at work.

It is not impossible to get it at home in our city, but it's not a breeze. I tell new teachers, if that's an issue for you make sure you househunt with that in mind. Otherwise you might rent a place you like, only to later find you could spend years trying to get a home connection.
Several of the boarding houses catering to students offer internet as one of the attractions.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We had it when we moved in. It is the package Guy mentioned with Telmex that comes bundled with phone (and possibly cable). Our landlord hasn't been very forthcoming with what we can expect to pay, but $30 or $40 a month between two people is way cheaper than going to Starbucks every day!

I have a question Guy and someone else who mentioned this stuff - what does 1MB mean? Obviously I know it means one megabyte... but what does that mean for me, a frequent movie downloader? I have been avoiding downloading any movies in case we pay for [bandwidth? is that the word?] like that guy in Canada who got the $85,000 phone bill when he used his supposedly unlimited web browsing on his cell as his computer's modem and downloaded thousands of movies. Do you think I'm safe downloading movies? I REALLY want to watch "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T"! I think about it every day!
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notamiss



Joined: 20 Jun 2007
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Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetgirly, if you have your connection through a fixed line in a house, you won't pay extra for downloading more data. Rather if you try to download movies (or any large files) that are too voluminous for your connection, it will just take a l-o-n-g time. I hadn't heard the story about the 85K phone bill, but clearly it's because he was using his cell phone.
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dixie



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetgirly wrote:
We had it when we moved in. It is the package Guy mentioned with Telmex that comes bundled with phone (and possibly cable). Our landlord hasn't been very forthcoming with what we can expect to pay, but $30 or $40 a month between two people is way cheaper than going to Starbucks every day!

I have a question Guy and someone else who mentioned this stuff - what does 1MB mean? Obviously I know it means one megabyte... but what does that mean for me, a frequent movie downloader? I have been avoiding downloading any movies in case we pay for [bandwidth? is that the word?] like that guy in Canada who got the $85,000 phone bill when he used his supposedly unlimited web browsing on his cell as his computer's modem and downloaded thousands of movies. Do you think I'm safe downloading movies? I REALLY want to watch "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T"! I think about it every day!


Is that $30-$40 pesos or dollars? We pay more for our internet, but it includes the phone bill as well. If that is in pesos, you are more than laughing. If that is in dollars, then it sounds average to me, and is even better if you are splitting the cost.

You don�t pay for bandwith. You pay for whatever service you want, and then use it. If you are really using up the power, than that is that. Depending on the strain from other users, and the restrictions (as FreddyM posted) from the provider, it will depend on how fast/slow the movies download. All in all, go for it. There is nothing better than a lazy Sunday afternoon in bed with a good movie...or few!
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm hoping it will be between $30 and $40 (dollars). I talked to some guys who had like, the best internet in the world, and they were paying $60. As this apartment was previously occupied by elderly people, I would imagine they hadn't subscribed to the really good service. We don't use the phone line at all, except for incoming long-distance calls. Because we're full-time online students we need the internet at home, and we were throwing money away going to Starbucks every day while apartment hunting. I've got some movies coming in at about 80 kb/s now that y'all have reassured me, thanks! Now if I could just get them to upload faster...
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uploading is a pain in Mexico...you can only get about 10 kB/s n the 1 meg line. On downloads, a 700 MB movie can come down as quickly as 3 hours or so, but if you're using a P2P prog, and the movie is not widely shared, it ca take days. That has less to do with the connection than the availability though.
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Jetgirly



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only download really obscure stuff, but my favorite site requires me to maintain a ratio of 0.3 (going up to 0.5 soon) so I have to be really careful on that end too. For current stuff, I'd rather just pay two bucks at the market than wait for hours. Except, my very first Mexican market movie purchase was a scam! I THOUGHT I was buying Cloverfield, but I ended up with a rip-off of the movie called Monster by the same folks who released The Da Vinci Treasure, I Am Omega and Snakes on a Train. However, Snakes on a Train sounds rather appealing...
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FreddyM



Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jetgirly wrote:


I have a question Guy and someone else who mentioned this stuff - what does 1MB mean? Obviously I know it means one megabyte... but what does that mean for me, a frequent movie downloader? I have been avoiding downloading any movies in case we pay for [bandwidth? is that the word?] like that guy in Canada who got the $85,000 phone bill when he used his supposedly unlimited web browsing on his cell as his computer's modem and downloaded thousands of movies. Do you think I'm safe downloading movies? I REALLY want to watch "The 5,000 Fingers of Dr. T"! I think about it every day!


1mb is about twenty times faster than 56k dial up. The service I have, 1.5mb (700kb upload0 is supposed to be even faster than that. But those are maximum speeds and the quality of service varies a lot. I hear DSL (Prodigy service through Telex) is supposed to be more reliable than cable internet, but then you have the hassle of paying for a phone line if it's not already installed, plus perhaps paying for phone service you may not really need. Cable seems the cheaper, more flexible option.
But some ISPs place hidden restrictions for heavy downloaders, especially those who use peer2peer software. The restrictions aren't necessarily spelled out to you, but you will definitely notice the difference once you start using those kinds of programs. The ISPs are purposefully slowing down those types of connections. But not eliminating them completely.
I download a lot of movies and almost anything else I watch from TV off the net using torrent sites. The downloads can take hours, so I usually just start the downloads in the early evening after work, let it sit over night to download (when the speeds pick up) and by the next day I usually have everything I started all finished up. I've watched the speeds during the daytime hours, and they are definitely much slower.
On the other hand, normal internet traffic, such as web browsing, seem to be unaffected. It's only p2p that seems to encounter problems during the day. (And don't even get me started about port forwarding and router problems, if you know what that is!)
What this means is, at least through cable internet in DF, it will still work, you can still download to your hearts content (I'm not aware of any download limits on the service I have), but you will have better luck and faster speed when most people are asleep. I still think it's worth it however...I don't pay for cable TV because almost any show I want to watch I can find being shared somewhere online, and the more popular the show or movie, the fast the download will be. More obscure stuff is still not that hard to find, but expect waiting times in days if not weeks, not minutes or hours, often downloading most of the day, every day.
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