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Looking for work in Guangzhou or Guangdong Province
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Baroque



Joined: 29 Sep 2007
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Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:51 am    Post subject: Looking for work in Guangzhou or Guangdong Province Reply with quote

Hi there,

I have applied for a few jobs in Hong Kong and am fully aware the waiting process for appointment is a long drawn out wait. I am a fully qualified TESOL Teacher having graduated from a respectable University in Australia ; which means I have real teaching qualifications hence a high probability of working in Hong Kong.

However, I am also considering my options to work in Guangzhou simply because I would rather be living in a temperate climate as opposed to Northern China where it can be rather cold. Besides , I would rather live near the coast and not landlocked in a parochial village.

I know the wages are not very high in China but am a proven educator with a strong interest in Asian culture.I do not want to work for a fly by night Academy as I like to work in a professional environment.

I would like to hear from anyone who is working for a professional organisation who can give me a hint who to work for in Guangzhou or possibly inform me of a vacancy in their school.

I am looking for a long term contract in a professional school that values real educators.I have up to date knowledege of current pedagogic methods and syllabus design related to the communicative approach.

I would appreciate constructive feedback.Thank you.

From Terra Australis
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7969



Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Looking for work in Guangzhou or Guangdong Province Reply with quote

Baroque wrote:
I am looking for a long term contract in a professional school that values real educators.I have up to date knowledege of current pedagogic methods and syllabus design related to the communicative approach.

truthfully, you've just eliminated a high percentage of schools with these statements. if you can settle for a school that is just happy to have a foreigner show up in their classes and make it through the day, then you might find something to satisfy you. but schools that really care about current pedagogic methods and syllabus design... a lot harder to find.

what kind of TESOL qualification do you have? there are dozens of them out there.

i wish you good luck.
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Baroque



Joined: 29 Sep 2007
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Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply Reply with quote

I have a Graduate Diploma in TESOL that allows me to work in any ESL related context both in Australia or abroad.Why have I eliminated any possibility of finding a job when I am professionally trained to teach? If I were to find a school that simply wanted a foreign face then I might as well go to Korea, which is not a favourable option.

I really enjoy the job of delivering a lesson plan and helping students work on tasks;and I also enjoy working within a structured syllabus because it gives one a sense of purpose of working with a curriculum.

By the way, I would like to know how comfortable foreign teachers find themselves in Guanghzou or the province itself. Is it foreigner freindly?
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malu



Joined: 22 Apr 2007
Posts: 1344
Location: Sunny Java

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:26 am    Post subject: Re: Reply Reply with quote

Baroque wrote:
I also enjoy working within a structured syllabus because it gives one a sense of purpose of working with a curriculum.


Your only option is with one of the 'international curriculum' schools using such as IB or IGCSE/A-level. Also, don't be surprised if the 'structured' syllabus becomes something of a slippery concept even in that environment. Do be prepared to deal with new students suddenly appearing halfway through your course, and don't assume they'll all have textbooks.
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vikuk



Joined: 23 May 2007
Posts: 1842

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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because it gives one a sense of purpose of working with a curriculum.

Alas any pedagogic sense of purpose you may wish to find may be at odds with that main sense of purpose demonstrated by your Chinese employers - milking education for profit.
Remember, here, schooling, the social tool, has been used to train the masses - so in the recent transition from red-books to bank-books nobody thought much over just giving education another tweak and modernising it into something that now shapes wallets rather than minds.
I'm afraid that education, the pursuit of exploring knowledge in the name of unbridled learning - well that dangerous discipline seems to have gone out of favour a long time ago.
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Shan-Shan



Joined: 28 Aug 2003
Posts: 1074
Location: electric pastures

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If I were to find a school that simply wanted a foreign face then I might as well go to Korea, which is not a favourable option.


Chinese schools are just as interested, if not more, in the foreign face -- with nothing behind it -- than Korea. Just look at the requirements for employment: though not strict, the FT in Korea does have to present more than the average Chinese FT when looking for employment. Wages, too, reflect this fact.

China is near bottom of the barrel in many cases; any foreign face more often than not will suffice. Implant a mind, tack on a few certificates to the back of its skull, and you got Better-Than-Expected FT which some schools do value, and show it with an extra 200RMB per month.
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Baroque



Joined: 29 Sep 2007
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Location: Sydney

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:03 am    Post subject: : Reply with quote

It would be informative to know how Foreign Teachers are finding their experience of living in Guangzhou. I was in Hong Kong for two weeks and loved the place. As I said in my initial posting I am awaiting the possibility of appointment to instruct in Hong Kong; I have applied for more than a few jobs, The NET scheme, The ESF and some regional University positions. If that falls through I am considering Guangzhou. Positive and negative critical observations of Guangzhou and the province are most welcome.

BTW Thanks for the replies.
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eslstudies



Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 1061
Location: East of Aden

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want to be taken seriously, teaching ESL in an Australian public or private school is a far better option.
Hong Kong students are no better than mainlanders. With the benefit of 150 years of enlightened British rule, they have picked up remarkably little.
So, go to China and enjoy yourself, or be a serious TESOLer. You can't have both, sorry. Krashen himself couldn't inspire 50 sleepy post-lunch students in a sweltering classroom full of bolted desks, with the smell of effluent pungent in the humid air.

Oh, am I way too cynical, or is this another of Tony's Kowloon Kreations? Wink
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malu



Joined: 22 Apr 2007
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Location: Sunny Java

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GZ is the most polluted city I've ever spent much time in, beating even Jakarta for omnipresent smog. I'm told there are other Chinese cities that are much more polluted, but I've not been to any myself.

The most redeeing feature of the city for me is the former foreigners' ghetto of Shamian which still has a relaxed vibe about it in places. The metro system is modern and efficient but darn crowded at peak times, so getting around GZ isn't difficult.

I'm sure there are some scenic and wonderful places in Guangdong province, somewhere, but generally the Pearl River Delta area is wall-to-wall factories and concrete. The NT and outlying islands of HK are a good deal less polluted and prettier than anywhere I've seen this side of the river.

That's my take on it. Sorry it's not more positive.
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jwbhomer



Joined: 14 Dec 2003
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Location: CANADA

PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guangzhou stinks -- literally and figuratively. Evil or Very Mad
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Kram



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