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jwbhomer
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ESL... The Howard Bros. are Mo, Shemp and Curly  Larry was Larry Fine, not a member of the family, and Joe, who came after Curly died, was Joe DaRita. |
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AussieGuyInChina
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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So called "Foundation" courses, ���Right Tony?
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Never been involved with, nor do I have any knowledge of, 'foundation' courses.
Who is Tony?
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| Second, is it not the case that "a respectable University in Australia" is something of an oxymoron? |
Australia, home to .5 percent of the world's population is also home to the 16th, 27th, 31st, 43rd, 44th, et al, top ranked universities in the world. |
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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Location: East of Aden
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Never been involved with, nor do I have any knowledge of, 'foundation' courses. |
Strange, especially if you've worked in joint programs.
He's the one giving gratuitous grammatical advice to his own troll.
As for 11.59's uninformed comments, here are the world's top universities. His kicks in at 53, with 6 Australian institutions ahead of him. So, better than 10% of the world's top 50 universities are in Australia which, as pointed out, has 0.5% of the world's population.
http://www.topuniversities.com/worlduniversityrankings/results/2007/overall_rankings/ |
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Kram
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: In a chair
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Guess the OP won�t be back... As for foreign unis in China, I�m not sure if they have their own independent campuses here. I�ve worked for a couple of joint venture colleges (obviously not teaching spelling, writing and grammar).
Which is why I mentioned professionalism, rorting, student attitudes and class sizes.
As mentioned, they are a �cash cow� � the Chinese partners do well...
Some students are brilliant and a joy to teach, others.... well....
No matter how well intentioned foreign universities are, the Chinese partner will dictate the standards and profit.
I�m sure we all have stories that could be told. Personally, I won�t work for another college that expects a certain �standard�, while the Chinese partner expects all students will pass.
As for everyone passing... that's certainly not the case in my country, as the'what paper, pen, research, reference' students have discovered. The difference being the unis will take their money and then watch 'em fail....
To be blunt, the comment about all students passing, in Australia, was disingenuous. |
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AussieGuyInChina
Joined: 23 Nov 2006
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| Strange, especially if you've worked in joint programs. |
I've worked in two 'pathway programs' (students study 2 years China / 2 years Australia), the academic part of which has been totally controlled by Australian management (which includes random selections of exam papers being sent to Australia for auditing). If students fail, they repeat the subject or leave. |
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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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Location: East of Aden
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Foundation Programs are courses for those with money who couldn't get into Chinese uni. Like an ELICOS, but run in China. If they get a 6.5 IELTS they can get into the Aussie uni running it. UTS has a big one at Shanghai Uni: there are plenty of others.
The creation of courses which are "dumbed down" for O/S students started, interestingly, when the great HK emigration began prior to '97. At that time, there were very few mainlanders coming to Australia. Singapore was the largest source, but those people can actually speak English.
Anything with "international business" in the title is a likely candidate. |
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malu
Joined: 22 Apr 2007
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Location: Sunny Java
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The difference being the unis will take their money and then watch 'em fail....
To be blunt, the comment about all students passing, in Australia, was disingenuous. |
I second that on both counts. The thing about foundation courses is that students can fail them as many times as they choose without affecting overall statistics on drop-out rates which, to my knowledge, never take foundation courses into account.
I can think of a few truly third-rate institutions in Australia but I can name at least as many top flight universities. Am I right in thinking that there are strict laws in Aus (like the UK) about which institutions can use the name 'University'? |
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